Where does your loyalty lie?

[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

The poll is 50 50, speaks volumes to me, and thank god for that.

 

for all those that voted tree, Mutse atsi

[BenR]

Mutsi atsi...Now you have lost me! I guess a lot of the time it depends on the situation. There are no hard and fast rules in the natural world.

[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

Mutsi atsi...Now you have lost me! I guess a lot of the time it depends on the situation. There are no hard and fast rules in the natural world.

 

if i explained everything i say, no one would be curious and go see!

 

people remember stuff when they do the enquiring for themselves:thumbup1:

[hazzygawa]

Poll for the deepest thread.

 

This is defiantly a winner.

[BigPinus]

This thread is so deep I can't see light!

 

This thread has torn me apart.

 

Looking at this thread from the background I have had and being from a younger generation I can see why people would be torn. When starting out as a young naive 17 yr old just wanting to climb and cut any woody perennial I could find I would have deffinately chosen the client, but now I have delved into looking at trees scientifically and seeing how diverse and complex they are I would (and did) choose the tree option. This said, I am a student and don't have to worry so much about my debts......yet!

 

Whatever opinions are expressed it's not going to change the world of arboriculture (not yet anyway).

 

Hama, I admire you in so many ways. Coming from the next generation of arborists I hope you can take some sort of pleassure away from knowing that your attitude can, and does, effect the way I (and no doubt others) feel and love the natural world. You're touching generations my friend!

[David Humphries]

I think I may have conserved the odd tree or two in me time.

 

In my tree world, it's a balance between the trees place in it's social environment, whether that be from an aesthetic/historical aspect & it's place amongst the wider ecological environment.

 

A place where the perception of time that a tree takes to develope it's complex bio-diverse relationships, must be considered, during any decision on retentention/removal.

 

Trees do fail, and ofcourse they can be replaced (though not often from what I see) but the major significant thing that seems to be almost always dismissed or forgoten, is TIME.

 

We as a species are immensley intelligent and create many wonderous things, but we haven't yet mastered the replacement of a mature/veteran bio-machine into the environment when we remove one.

 

It really is all about now for us, with scant regard to the natural time line of a tree & it's environment.

 

 

 

Make your living, but slow down the process.

 

Reduce a tree, a number of times before it's eventual removal. Educate the trees owners as to what they are actually in charge of.

 

 

Trees are assets, (financialy, socially & biologically) not a nuisance !

 

 

 

 

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[tomtrees]

Someone told me tree surgeons are often very good at working with trees but not very good business men and I think most start out doing the job for the fun of it and less for the money. Now with kids house blaa blaa I am looking at the end of the month $$$$$$$$$.

[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

Someone told me tree surgeons are often very good at working with trees but not very good business men and I think most start out doing the job for the fun of it and less for the money. Now with kids house blaa blaa I am looking at the end of the month $$$$$$$$$.

 

I dont care what any of you say regarding the need to make a living, we all do, but even at the most base of levels in THIS country you have NO right to moan about your life and or lot.

 

Spend one day in the shanty towns of the third world and you will find men whos lives are harder than yours, but say they smile everyday because they do not want their children to think that thier father does not like them.

 

WE have a beautiful life, and can AFFORD to make the choices, and whatever you say to the contray I am not buying, its BS and thats that:thumbdown:

[tomtrees]

I think I may have conserved the odd tree or two in me time.

 

In my tree world, it's a balance between the trees place in it's social environment, whether that be from an aesthetic/historical aspect & it's place amongst the wider ecological environment.

 

 

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Right on Monkey

 

Space is important too in France the forests are growing at a faster rate than they are being cut down and they are seen in a diffrent light and managed in a way that shock the English but it is a part of thier cultural history

[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

Right on Monkey

 

Space is important too in France the forests are growing at a faster rate than they are being cut down and they are seen in a diffrent light and managed in a way that shock the English but it is a part of thier cultural history

 

funny you say that really, we have so little space, and yet still we managed to end up with the richest ancient tree stock in europe!