does anyone run their chipper on red diesel?

[Tom2020]

pmsl forgot they run on petrol :blushing:

 

I wonder if that my problem with the sawww mmmhhh

[renewablejohn]

I run my chipper on white but then it is attached to the MB Trac and we do a lot of road work so really dont have an option.

[elfinwood saws]

used to drive fuel tankers and the diesel all came out of the same storage tanks, then the customs & excise guy would drop dye tablets into your road tanker if your delivery was for red. would you run your £60,000 tractor on red if it was a low quality fuel???

[gensetsteve]

I run an old 4x4 round the yard when they arrive on white no smoke . when we fill them with red lots of smoke I think this can be corrected on the timing but just goes to show the diference in the fuel. I like the idea of occasional white in plant as this does clean the injectors etc . Cherry is not really inferior just not as refined with excellent additive pack as derv. Due to saving in cost worth using in chippers.

[Pete Hart]

thanks for all the input guys....shall defo be using red when i pick up the chipper on weds!

[TRADITIONAL LOGGERS]

HMRC said red diesel not for use in Unimogs when working on "private" gardens sites. OK for use on public roadside trees and hedges. (Agricultural/Forestry/Horticultural no problems) Some fuel firms are now using around 8% EU grade Bio Diesel in white/red.

[b101uk]

used to drive fuel tankers and the diesel all came out of the same storage tanks, then the customs & excise guy would drop dye tablets into your road tanker if your delivery was for red. would you run your £60,000 tractor on red if it was a low quality fuel???

 

The cost of DERV/35sec gas oil/ULS Gas oil is virtually no different, it only becomes different when its in free circulation and the taxation elements are taken into account and the chemical marker added, anybody can ring up HMRC and get a quantity of there DERV changed to red (ULS gas oil) and claim the tax rebate back on what they paid on DERV, it makes no odds to the refiner or the fuel supplier as its only taxes that change the cost of DERV/ULS gasoil/35 sec gas oil & the cost of the HMRC man coming out is just divided by the number of thousands of litres (e.g HMRC man costs £100 to come out and he drops dye in 20000L of DERV to mark it as rebate that adds 0.5p to each litre)

 

The reason 35sec gas oil & marine gas oil have lower Cetane Number (CN) is the engines using it are generally bigger and slower revving than car or truck engines and not all countries run rebate fuels though they do have a rebate system for DERV used away from the road, our 35sec gas oil has a CN rating similar to standard DERV at the pump in the USA or Canada who use ASTM specs, this is also why lots of tier3 engined tractors that are European built or import into the EU with CE marks sometimes exhibit power loss and require cetane improvers to run a there best hear in the UK on 35 sec gas oil because in lots of parts of the EU they use DERV in there tractors so the injection timing is set up at the factory on EU spec DERV so when it ends up in the UK running on a farm using 35sec gas oil the problems happen.

 

e.g.

John Deere UK - Fuel conditioner improves engine performance

 

keep in mind John Deere would obviously prefer to sell you Cetane booster for your 35sec gas oil rather than tell you about ULS gas oil, so some of what is implies is not strictly true as they make no mention of ULS gas oil.

 

As for ULS gas oil it has been around as long as the HMRC have been dropping markers in DERV just to keep industry going so there is no shortage of rebate fuels

 

DERV = BS EN 590: 2000

ULS gas oil = BS 2869:1998 & (ULSG) BS EN 590: 2000

35sec gas oil = BS 2869:1998

 

Anyone has problems understanding/believing what I say then do some reading using key search words like “ultra low sulphur gas oil” “ULSGO“ “ULSD“ “ultra low sulphur diesel“ “Cetane” “Cetane Number” “35sec gas oil” “red diesel” “BS EN 590” “BS 2869” etc etc or just look at the spec sheets available from fuel suppliers in the UK available from there web sites for the different grades of fuel they sell, its not rocket science and neither is HMRC notice 75 (under section 8 - exemptions) if you want to educated your self as to when rebate fuels can be used.