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[igottacabstar]

Thing is no carabiners have the wording "for climbing life support" wrote next to them when advertised. If you've got 2 identical carabiners listed next to each other under the heading 'climbing hardware - carabiners', one a screwgate, one a 3 way, it's pretty obvious that they're both intended to be used for climbing.

[igottacabstar]

Is this like the insurance that doesn't cover any thing under the tree?

 

IE its available,but who would buy it?

 

Obviously plenty of people still buy screwgates for climbing or there wouldn't be so many suppliers selling them.

[skyhuck]

Obviously plenty of people still buy screwgates for climbing or there wouldn't be so many suppliers selling them.

 

If no one buys them they will be available for a very long while as they will be trying to get shut.

[igottacabstar]

https://www.gustharts.com/Products/Arborist%20Equipment/Arborist%20Climbing%20Equipment/Karabiners%20%26%20Maillons/Product/Camp%20Screwgate%20Alloy%20Karabiner/

 

Listed under arborists climbing equipment at Gustharts.com - you gonna buy me one Steve?? Please!!

[igottacabstar]

If no one buys them they will be available for a very long while as they will be trying to get shut.

 

That's a load of cr*p - they've got even more 3-ways for sale - they trying to get shot of them aswell?

[Steve Bullman]

did you read this?

"These products should only be used by fully trained personnel. It is dangerous to use products in a manner which exceeds the design and test parameters specified by the manufacturer. Doing so can cause product failure leading to damage, injury of fatality. If in doubt about the correct usage of any of these products then please contact us."

[scotspine1]

Obviously plenty of people still buy screwgates for climbing or there wouldn't be so many suppliers selling them.

 

There are still a few suppliers selling screwgates, cant understand why though as everyone should be using 3 way self locking twistlocks or similar.

[igottacabstar]

did you read this?

"These products should only be used by fully trained personnel. It is dangerous to use products in a manner which exceeds the design and test parameters specified by the manufacturer. Doing so can cause product failure leading to damage, injury of fatality. If in doubt about the correct usage of any of these products then please contact us."

 

You're clutching at straws Steve - what are they to be used for if not climbing - bit extreme for a chainsaw clip and not man enough for any major rigging applications, it's obvious they are being sold for climbing, not that you will admit it because you don't want to honour your bet.:wave:

[igottacabstar]

There are still a few suppliers selling screwgates, cant understand why though as everyone should be using 3 way self locking twistlocks or similar.

 

Agree. I only use 3 way crabs. Just trying to point out that some arb suppliers still do sell screwgates for climbing, don't know why some can't just accept this?

[scotspine1]

Agree. I only use 3 way crabs. Just trying to point out that some arb suppliers still do sell screwgates for climbing, don't know why some can't just accept this?

 

The work at height regs 2005 relating to arboriculture state that only 3 way self locking biners should be used for climbing attachment.

 

The dealers that are advertising screwgates for climbing cant be taken seriously as credible arb dealers.