Your ariel rescue turns up with no climbing kit

[Hank]

26 minutes ago, Mike Hill said:

Straight up mate,you sound like half the problem in this industry. 

 

Over-thinking ,inexperienced, over equipment climbers trying to find reasons not to get the job done.

 

The likelihood of injuring yourself aloft,to such an extent as you cannot self rescue is vanishingly low. So low in fact that refusing a job on the basis of there not being a rescue climber onsite is pretty pathetic. 

 

 

 

 

Bit harsh

[Steven P]

I did a bit of climbing in earlier days - not trees and in the corporate world where we were risk assessed to death which is where my comment is coming from.

 

We wouldn't be allowed to make a move unless the rescue climber was kitted up (He'd usually stay on the ground though). My point is I'll assume that the site 'belongs' to the boss with regards to safety and working the site, and they'd be sharing with the workers the risk assessments. If the risk assessment says 'rescue climber' (or equivalent wording) and there is none, an accident happens but work had started because the boss said to go ahead then I think the liability sits on their shoulders? Insurers would use it as an excuse to duck out of a pay-out. Now suppose a worst case - end of career injury or worse, can the boss afford to make suitable financial payments out of their pocket?

 

Other lines of work where the job stops if the safety supervisor (equivalent to rescue climber) goes off site - even for a 5 min toilet break, we stop. We don't change our behaviours cause they aren't there - still work safely - but the liability shifts to us and away from the agreed assessment and method statements. Both examples working for large companies in the corporate world.

 

Could be the best climber in the world, accidents happen, can you afford the insurers to walk away?

 

 

Might be the case where the RA doesn't specify a 2nd climber in which case I think it is whatever you are comfortable with and the job in hand.

[Mike Hill]

1 hour ago, krummholz said:

 

Fair enough - straight up you sound like the other half of the problem in this industry.

 

You have no idea of my level of experience, and experience doesn't always mean you make good decisions.

 

People wonder why we're under paid and under appreciated when the bar is set so low

 

Which side is that mate?

 

I have a pretty good idea of your level of experience ,judging by the way you prioritize something that isnt really of much relevance in general.

 

We are underpaid in some areas because most of the work we do is pretty easy and the bar to entry into the self employment is minor. Plus the fact that colleges churn out new "climbers" many of whom start out for themselves hoovering up the easy money.

 

Been like this in the UK for ages and we are seeing more of it in Scandi now too. 

[thebeardeddove]

Wondered how long it was gonna be before people started arguing about others level of experience 🤣 

 

 

 

 

[thebeardeddove]

3 hours ago, krummholz said:

It would be a shame if your last thoughts as you were losing consciousness were "At least Old Bill doesn't think I'm a primadonna"...

This almost made me spit out my coffee 🤣

 

 

[thebeardeddove]

 

10 hours ago, Mick Dempsey said:

I can see it now, I’m pinned up a giant poplar, struggling for breath..

My groundy shouts up ‘I’m coming up to perform an ariel rescue, hold on!’

Me (gasping for breath) ‘stay down there until you learn how to spell it you imbecile! It’s AERIAL’

 

 

 

 

[Mick Dempsey]

18 minutes ago, thebeardeddove said:

 

 

It’s a running (in) joke on here, been running for years in fact, totally unrelated to you. Naturally you don’t get it cos you’re new. Not a big deal.

Not that you’re averse to insulting others based on their age or reading ability. 

You do seem a bit sensitive though. 
Anyway stick around or don’t, up to you, hang about and you’ll likely pick up some good info. 👍

[Steven P]

You need to hang about the forum more, 5 pages in and only 1 joke? The thread is holding interest more than most.

 

Usually by 5 pages we've had a page for the topic, a page of insults, a page of bad puns and 2 pages on a complete tangent.

 

Cleaning up with a detergent pun? I'd be all for that.

[thebeardeddove]

26 minutes ago, Steven P said:

You need to hang about the forum more, 5 pages in and only 1 joke? The thread is holding interest more than most.

 

Usually by 5 pages we've had a page for the topic, a page of insults, a page of bad puns and 2 pages on a complete tangent.

 

Cleaning up with a detergent pun? I'd be all for that.

It's literally why I posted it. I knew this would get some good debate going 😅

 

 

[thebeardeddove]

28 minutes ago, Mick Dempsey said:

It’s a running (in) joke on here, been running for years in fact, totally unrelated to you. Naturally you don’t get it cos you’re new. Not a big deal.

Not that you’re averse to insulting others based on their age or reading ability. 

You do seem a bit sensitive though. 
Anyway stick around or don’t, up to you, hang about and you’ll likely pick up some good info. 👍

I'm only messing around,  no offence taken here. Sometimes humour and jokes get lost over just text. 

 

I've had a good laugh from this thread