Pricing standing Ash some with Ash die back.

[slack ma girdle]

12 hours ago, swinny said:

Do you find it takes a lot more wood to get the ton due to the dieback. 

 

I had a decent stack of wood this year off one job and thought great, be 23-24t there. Was gutted when it was delivered to firewood man and they weighed it when lifting off and only grossed 19t 😞 volume seemd there but apparently not the weight

It depends on how far gone it is. The Ash in my last 'snipping' video didn't seem much lighter, but it didn't go over a weigh bridge so i don't know.

Thats why i always try a sell by volume.

[Amarus]

21 hours ago, cessna said:

Apologies if this not the right forum to be asking the above.

My wife has asked if I have any idea how much per cu mtr standing Ash is worth ,some with Ash die back.I have told her it would be  very hard to value it until ones sees the trees,terrain ( how wet the ground is etc). If anyone can give me a range of prices as to what it might be worth would be a help.

I do know the wood is on reasonably level ground  and one can stack by a track suitable for an artic to reverse along. They want the trees hand felled / winched ,harvester will not be allowed.

Without knowing which part of the country you are in, it is hard to answer.

 

In the SW I would say around the £50/t mark is about right for the top end as the others say but a lot depends on site conditions and tree sizes etc. If it is not as straightforward and/or a small area with lot of constraints etc., you might not get much more than £20-25/t or even less.

 

The thing that concerns me is the no harvester element, effectively the owners ask the cutters to risk their lives for what exactly?

I would not entertain looking at ash trees without mechanised felling and rather walk, to be honest. Ash trees do kill people.

[Whoppa Choppa]

21 hours ago, slack ma girdle said:

Thats £50-70 roadside,  felling and extraction will be less

Ah thought you meant standing. RS then would be nearer 80-99 here

[swinny]

59 minutes ago, slack ma girdle said:

It depends on how far gone it is. The Ash in my last 'snipping' video didn't seem much lighter, but it didn't go over a weigh bridge so i don't know.

Thats why i always try a sell by volume.

I will maybe try this from now on. You just measure height and length x2.5m to get volume or is there a more precise way? 

 

Still feel a little diddled

[Whoppa Choppa]

8 minutes ago, swinny said:

I will maybe try this from now on. You just measure height and length x2.5m to get volume or is there a more precise way? 

 

Still feel a little diddled

On lorry or stack? Either way it's length of timber x stack width x height. Then x 0.55 for hardwood. Sawlogs might make 0.65. softwood roundwood is 0.7 officially.

[openspaceman]

4 minutes ago, Whoppa Choppa said:

On lorry or stack? Either way it's length of timber x stack width x height. Then x 0.55 for hardwood. Sawlogs might make 0.65. softwood roundwood is 0.7 officially.

There's slightly more air space when stacked on a lorry because of the edge effect up against the pins, in a large stack these empty edges would be filled by a bit of log. Also the 55%  figure for hardwood would be more for branch wood cut from large sawlogs rather than whole ash stems cut to 8'.

 

Average diameter makes a difference too as smaller poles have more air space yet a mixture of smaller and larger can pack better.

 

Ash is a light wood either way so sale by volume makes sense if it has been lying in the stack for a while.

 

[swinny]

This was a stack that only weighed 19t... I was sure I was up nearer 23t ish

 

Guestimation is crap! But 19t was weighed with a trailer crane

[swinny]

1 hour ago, Whoppa Choppa said:

On lorry or stack? Either way it's length of timber x stack width x height. Then x 0.55 for hardwood. Sawlogs might make 0.65. softwood roundwood is 0.7 officially.

Cheers. How is it then priced per cube? Rough estimates... 

 

If you take that figure  and work it to metre cube.... if you then divide by 1.5 should this give you rough tonnage? As sure firewood boys reckon 1.5 cube per ton?

[Whoppa Choppa]

Ash is 1.28 m³ per tonne officially*

[Whoppa Choppa]

8 hours ago, swinny said:

Cheers. How is it then priced per cube? Rough estimates... 

 

If you take that figure  and work it to metre cube.... if you then divide by 1.5 should this give you rough tonnage? As sure firewood boys reckon 1.5 cube per ton?

No because the nominal 1.5 expected from MH by the firewood boys means loose cube from a tonne.