Retaining trees in (damaged) hard surfaces

[Mick Dempsey]

No idea, I don’t even understand your question.

[AA Teccie (Paul)]

1 hour ago, Treerover said:

 

Is this the new Helliwell scale type ‘o’ ting ?

 

Similar but different (see  https://www.forestresearch.gov.uk/documents/761/FCRN008.pdf )

 

[daltontrees]

13 hours ago, Mick Dempsey said:

Capital Asset Value of Amenity Trees according to Google.

Thanks, but it was more the 'go for' but that I was curious about. I'm quite familiar with CAVAT but I am perplexed about what situations it is being used in, and how.

[daltontrees]

14 hours ago, JaySmith said:

 

If a developer removes your trees to facilitate development then should the owner not be compensated?

 

Yes compensation is due after the event, or a negotiated settlement before the event.

But isn't s278 just for public highway rather than publicly accessible areas?

Besides, CAVAT is nonsense (in my carefully considered opinion😟) anyway.

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

21 hours ago, arbgirl92 said:

When the town was originally developed over 50 years ago, a large number of Poplar, Silver Maple, London Plane etc where planted, and in many cases in places that were only ever going to cause problems...

Can you tell us which town this is? I wonder if it is the one I’m thinking of - if so (and I think probably not) there shouldn’t be a problem resolving this. (That’s why I think it probably isn’t the town I’m thinking of.)

 

Take the tarmac away, make it look like a open soil area and maybe the dog shite will discourage casual pedestrians?

 

Its a non-sense to seek to make all areas flat, smooth and accessible. 
 

There are many areas of great historic, cultural and aesthetic value (certainly in Cornwall) which are distinctly non-compliant with current disability and accessibility legislation - long may it remain so!

Edited January 25, 2022 by kevinjohnsonmbe

[daltontrees]

1 hour ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

Can you tell us which town this is? I wonder if it is the one I’m thinking of - if so (and I think probably not) there shouldn’t be a problem resolving this. (That’s why I think it probably isn’t the town I’m thinking of.)

 

Take the tarmac away, make it look like a open soil area and maybe the dog shite will discourage casual pedestrians?

 

Its a non-sense to seek to make all areas flat, smooth and accessible. 
 

There are many areas of great historic, cultural and aesthetic value (certainly in Cornwall) which are distinctly non-compliant with current disability and accessibility legislation - long may it remain so!

That is beautiful, carved granite channel sections. Cornish?

 

I kind of agree with you but this also complements my idea that if you make an area flat and smooth you are more likely to get sued for trip hazards. Therre was a Court of Session case about this a few years ago, someone fell off a path in a country park and sued the Park authority, but the judge said that someone using a rough path in an area like that should expect to be more careful. Case dismissed.

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

5 hours ago, daltontrees said:

That is beautiful, carved granite channel sections. Cornish?

 

I kind of agree with you but this also complements my idea that if you make an area flat and smooth you are more likely to get sued for trip hazards. Therre was a Court of Session case about this a few years ago, someone fell off a path in a country park and sued the Park authority, but the judge said that someone using a rough path in an area like that should expect to be more careful. Case dismissed.

Yes, very common in Helston, Truro and many other places.  Just snapped a few from tinterweb but well remembered as a hazard when bowling out of the pub!  

 

Totally agree the more serious bit - if it walks, talks, looks like something someone might walk on - they probably will....

[daltontrees]

15 minutes ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

Yes, very common in Helston, Truro and many other places.  Just snapped a few from tinterweb but well remembered as a hazard when bowling out of the pub!  

 

Totally agree the more serious bit - if it walks, talks, looks like something someone might walk on - they probably will....

 

A bit farther afield but here's another bit of construction made of cornish granite. The monument to the great war situated on top of Dundee Law, a hill in the centre of the city. The big plagioclases crystals in it were apparently known by the cornish miners as 'horses teeth'. Nothing to do with trees but beautiful anyway.

Edited January 25, 2022 by daltontrees

[JaySmith]

Thanks, but it was more the 'go for' but that I was curious about. I'm quite familiar with CAVAT but I am perplexed about what situations it is being used in, and how.

Maybe not the best phase but you know what I mean as in compensation due for loss of asset

[JaySmith]

Yes compensation is due after the event, or a negotiated settlement before the event.
But isn't s278 just for public highway rather than publicly accessible areas?
Besides, CAVAT is nonsense (in my carefully considered opinion[emoji45]) anyway.

Yes for public highway, the OP was saying that she doesn’t have any budget for planting. Compensation/mitigation for removal may provide funds for planting is what I was getting at