E10 fuel and chainsaws?

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31 minutes ago, Haironyourchest said:

A pal told me about the Invisible methanol flame... He was building factories in Saudi, and some of the lads built a still to make fuel for their dirt bikes (ironically, no spare petrol available at the compound, for some reason). They fermented dates, IIRC. First thing the guy knew about it was his leather jacket crisping up.

I smell a fermented rat.

Of course the alcohol was for their bikes.

Hic!

[Macpherson]

4 hours ago, trigger_andy said:

old wives tail that drinking moonshine will make you blind.

If you don't take off the methanol before collecting the ethanol you could go blind...that's where experience is important, the cure for methanol poisoning is ethanol or any kind of alcohol spirit administered quickly, I bet that would be some hangover🤪

 

I remember back in the 70's I think, a group of guys on a North sea rig made some kind of hooch and went blind after drinking it.. 

[trigger_andy]

6 hours ago, Macpherson said:

If you don't take off the methanol before collecting the ethanol you could go blind...that's where experience is important, the cure for methanol poisoning is ethanol or any kind of alcohol spirit administered quickly, I bet that would be some hangover🤪

 

I remember back in the 70's I think, a group of guys on a North sea rig made some kind of hooch and went blind after drinking it.. 

If you’re distilling you have to remove the heads and tails anyway. Anyone with a Still knows this. As Methanol has a lower boiling point than Ethanol it’s going to be one of the first spirits off the run. For example, in a 20 litre wash at about 10% ABV you’ll produce a very small amount of methanol. So discarding they first 250mls is more than enough. You’d not take much of the heads or tails anyway, a little each side of the hearts for something with flavour like a Whisky but nothing but hearts for neutral spirits like Vodka. 
 

I’ve heard about the off-shore hooch unban legends as well. I still find it very hard to believe. If the lads brewed something like bread or fruit with plenty of sugar they might be able to make a wash at 10%-12% ABV, but I’d expect it to be much lower at around 4-5%. If they drank this the minute quantiles of methanol would not do anything to them, just like the methanol present in your can of beer or glass of wine does nothing to you. They’d need to concentrate the methanol by distilling it and capturing it before it mixed with the other Alcohols produced and have a single person drink that for that person to have an even remote chance of going blind. There is ways to distil off-shore with something like a fish tank heater, a plastic bag and two buckets, but then all the produced alcohols would be mixed as there would be no way to separate out the methanol, Ethanol and all the other fusle alcohols.  It would just give them all a bad hangover. 
 

Most likely they drank MEG, methanol and Ethylene Glycol which is used heavily off-shore. Either neat or mixed in with their prison hooch to really get the sausage party going. 

 

Edited September 22, 2021 by trigger_andy

[Macpherson]

15 hours ago, trigger_andy said:

If you’re distilling you have to remove the heads and tails anyway. Anyone with a Still knows this. As Methanol has a lower boiling point than Ethanol it’s going to be one of the first spirits off the run. For example, in a 20 litre wash at about 10% ABV you’ll produce a very small amount of methanol. So discarding they first 250mls is more than enough. You’d not take much of the heads or tails anyway, a little each side of the hearts for something with flavour like a Whisky but nothing but hearts for neutral spirits like Vodka. 
 

I’ve heard about the off-shore hooch unban legends as well. I still find it very hard to believe. If the lads brewed something like bread or fruit with plenty of sugar they might be able to make a wash at 10%-12% ABV, but I’d expect it to be much lower at around 4-5%. If they drank this the minute quantiles of methanol would not do anything to them, just like the methanol present in your can of beer or glass of wine does nothing to you. They’d need to concentrate the methanol by distilling it and capturing it before it mixed with the other Alcohols produced and have a single person drink that for that person to have an even remote chance of going blind. There is ways to distil off-shore with something like a fish tank heater, a plastic bag and two buckets, but then all the produced alcohols would be mixed as there would be no way to separate out the methanol, Ethanol and all the other fusle alcohols.  It would just give them all a bad hangover. 
 

Most likely they drank MEG, methanol and Ethylene Glycol which is used heavily off-shore. Either neat or mixed in with their prison hooch to really get the sausage party going. 

 

Ok,  but I distinctly remember this incident being news headlines when I was an apprentice...papers and telly, others must remember this, they distilled and drank wood alcohol is what was reported. I'd guess '72 or 3.. but... 

 

..as I just googled it several ways with no result  I must be mistaken .. I'd only give it a few years before a google search  of WW2 will turn up empty, cheers.

[trigger_andy]

Ok,  but I distinctly remember this incident being news headlines when I was an apprentice...papers and telly, others must remember this, they distilled and drank wood alcohol is what was reported. I'd guess '72 or 3.. but... 
 
..as I just googled it several ways with no result  I must be mistaken .. I'd only give it a few years before a google search  of WW2 will turn up empty, cheers.

I can’t think of one good reason why anyone would intentionally produce wood alcohol (methanol) when they’d have everything on hand to produce Ethanol.

Perhaps it was reported later in this edition?

[Macpherson]

10 hours ago, trigger_andy said:

I can’t think of one good reason why anyone would intentionally produce wood alcohol (methanol) when they’d have everything on hand to produce Ethanol.

I really don't see what point you're trying to make unless it's just that you want a laugh... which is fine by me 👍

 

But if you'd like to discover the origin of the term ' blind drunk ' then this article is one of many that explain the effects of methanol poisoning, cheers.

 

Methanol: The Forgotten Killer of Prohibition-Era Alcohol

WWW.PASTEMAGAZINE.COM

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Prohibition is often depicted as a carefree era of exciting parties and speakeasy culture, but any given drink could be...

 

[trigger_andy]

I really don't see what point you're trying to make unless it's just that you want a laugh... which is fine by me [emoji106]
 
But if you'd like to discover the origin of the term ' blind drunk ' then this article is one of many that explain the effects of methanol poisoning, cheers.
 

Methanol: The Forgotten Killer of Prohibition-Era Alcohol

WWW.PASTEMAGAZINE.COM

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Prohibition is often depicted as a carefree era of exciting parties and speakeasy culture, but any given drink could be...  

You’ve either not read the article in your own link or you simply don’t understand it.

I might not have been laughing at you before but I certainly am now.

[Macpherson]

1 minute ago, trigger_andy said:

 

 

You’ve either not read the article in your own link or you simply don’t understand it.

I might not have been laughing at you before but I certainly am now.

 

 

But there's a plethora of info on poisoning from home distilling... I don't really know what it is your trying to disagree about...it's not like I'm making this up. 

[trigger_andy]

But there's a plethora of info on poisoning from home distilling... I don't really know what it is your trying to disagree about...it's not like I'm making this up. 

So what’s the point of posting a link that backs up everything I’ve already said? Why not post up something from the plethora of info on what you’re so desperately yet failing to make a point of?

The article you pointed out showed that methanol was added to moonshine by some unscrupulous moonshiners to make the moonshine go further, or perhaps it was the law enforcement themselves. That’s basically the same explanation I gave with the lads off-shore potentially added MEG to give their hooch a punch. And I only suggested that based on your old wives story about some riggers waking up blind.

But you could be right, the guys in the 70’s could well have been breaking down old pallets and distilling them into Methanol on the pipe deck and drinking that. Sounds far more plausible than making prison hooch in their cabins. [emoji849]

[Macpherson]

5 hours ago, trigger_andy said:

 

 

So what’s the point of posting a link that backs up everything I’ve already said? Why not post up something from the plethora of info on what you’re so desperately yet failing to make a point of?

The article you pointed out showed that methanol was added to moonshine by some unscrupulous moonshiners to make the moonshine go further, or perhaps it was the law enforcement themselves. That’s basically the same explanation I gave with the lads off-shore potentially added MEG to give their hooch a punch. And I only suggested that based on your old wives story about some riggers waking up blind.

But you could be right, the guys in the 70’s could well have been breaking down old pallets and distilling them into Methanol on the pipe deck and drinking that. Sounds far more plausible than making prison hooch in their cabins.


 

 

 

Ok so your calling me a liar then, that's fine by me.... you've certainly got the knack of twisting others words, I recon you're just bored at work and need someone else to take the piss out of because you like arguing... all over a news article that happened before you were even born, get a grip mate👍