base tie/ canopy anchor.

[carlos]

i dont tend to work from a base tie that much but iam after ideas on a good way of backing up a base tie with a removable (from the ground) cannopy tie.

so basicly throwline a high anchor base tie it, ascend then install some form of canopy tie , then work the tree. descend and remove from the ground.

i did try my own version but the retrival bit didnt go so well!!!

 thanks carl

[Joe Newton]

Alpine pinto

[Mark Bolam]

As in base tie the retrieval leg Joe?

[Paddy1000111]

I use a cambium saver. Base tie for the ascent like you say, get a groundie to undo it then install and thread it through the cambium saver and tie an alpine butterfly with the a carabiner through the loop just in case on the small ring side with the "tail" reaching the ground when I'm done I just stick a retrieval ball on the line and pull the cambium saver out.

 

Alternatively I guess you can tie an alpine butterfly and then thread the climbing end through the loop and synch it up on the branch. You can even add a ring to the butterfly to make retrieval a little easier. 

 

Only advantage of using a cambium saver is I can pull the non-climb side down and add more rope into the system easily if I need multiple redirects without unthreading the climb side from the loop as i just remove the carabiner and undo the butterfly and I can pull the knot down to me and swap it to a ddrt system if I want to as well. If I'm doing an odd job I will have it set up in ddrt as its easier to go up and down and when I stop for lunch I just tie a knot in the cambiums small ring side, clip a carab through it and then I have an srt system to get back to where I was easily. 

[Joe Newton]

42 minutes ago, Mark Bolam said:

As in base tie the retrieval leg Joe?

I guess. He's asking how to back up a base tie with a retrievable canopy anchor. Well I'll just ascend to the branch I'm over (if I don't need to advance) and put an alpine pinto canopy anchor in. The retrieval leg will still effectively be base tied but you'll be on a canopy anchor.

 

More often than not though I'm comfortable working from a base tie. 

[carlos]

16 minutes ago, Joe Newton said:

I guess. He's asking how to back up a base tie with a retrievable canopy anchor. Well I'll just ascend to the branch I'm over (if I don't need to advance) and put an alpine pinto canopy anchor in. The retrieval leg will still effectively be base tied but you'll be on a canopy anchor.

 

More often than not though I'm comfortable working from a base tie. 

this is exactly what i am after, i guess ill have to get a pinto, i have a smaller pulley but im pretty sure there isnt the room for the butterfly and working leg in the pulley.

paddy: 

on removals i normally untie the base tie and retie as cannopy anchor usally a simple running bowline, but in this scenario i was after something midline attachable so i could keep the base tie.

i realize i could just work off my base tie but i just feel uneasy about it to be honest plus there is always the  time you get up to your throwline shot and realize its not quiet as decent as you thought!

does the pinto have to be cinched up tight under the limb or can you keep the base tie leg tight and have the pinto in midair so,s to speak??

thanks for replies

carl

[Rich Rule]

As Joe said.

 

I tend to just work off a base anchor but if i feel the need, get to top and pull some slack through device.  Just enough to tie alpine on the base tie leg.  I use the Quickie these days as it is less bulky.

 

Cinch it back up and carry on working as before.  

 

Ive never messed about with cambium savers for srt.  Although I can see how it retrieves pretty well but too much of a fanny on for me.

 

KISS.

[Joe Newton]

1 hour ago, carlos said:

this is exactly what i am after, i guess ill have to get a pinto, i have a smaller pulley but im pretty sure there isnt the room for the butterfly and working leg in the pulley.

paddy: 

on removals i normally untie the base tie and retie as cannopy anchor usally a simple running bowline, but in this scenario i was after something midline attachable so i could keep the base tie.

i realize i could just work off my base tie but i just feel uneasy about it to be honest plus there is always the  time you get up to your throwline shot and realize its not quiet as decent as you thought!

does the pinto have to be cinched up tight under the limb or can you keep the base tie leg tight and have the pinto in midair so,s to speak??

thanks for replies

carl

Yeah just buy a pinto mate, or a quickie. Don't be tight with climbing kit.

 

You could theoretically keep the tension in your base tie but I'm not sure why you'd want to. A canopy tie exerts to to half the load that a base tie does. Use one or the other, depending on the task. No need to try and use both.