New echo chainsaw (USA)

[AngrySquirrel]

3 hours ago, Rob D said:

We are Echo dealers - and we find the marketing confusing! So unless you are a real Echo aficionado I have no idea how the customer figures out what's what! But then looking at manufacturers and the way things are advertised these days is so chock a block full of spam and guff I'm surprised anyone can work out the facts.

 

Trying to dig details out of the big names is like pulling teeth. Went to Husky website and there is so much of this sort of stuff which takes up a lot of space and tells you... nothing! Oh no - it does tell you something - it tells you repeatedly how wonderful the company is!!

 

 

 

'A HUSQVARNA CHAINSAW FOR EVERY CHALLENGE

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Think must have same family doing Media for many companies as so many seem to be Tarred with the me me me pat on the back/minimal info Bullshit Brush!

Like it's us/we so don't enquire any further just go out and buy but do buy now like one of those Cheesey Yankie Cable Adverts.

Have same issues with Daiwa amongst others with an info "patch" and some BS pictures that only show you part of (Rod) and is shared across many products yet want you to go spend £500 plus when can go buy a Zziplex or Century that know what it's going to do and has info.

Then look at there reels! with there BS tags which happy Jappies love.Super ? superdooper? digigears and so on yet tells you bugger all and if doing a Grand or two on a Saltiga/Dog fight you want to know all you can but many seem to hold us to contempt but then squeal like a Pig being gangbanged by an Herd of Elephants when sales drop through floor!

Then blame everyone/thing else but not themselves!

 

At least with your website you do have info and try as best with limited BS from suppliers!

Worst ones are ones that just copy and paste the BS without thinking does this Shit make any sense?

Have an advertising/media dept yet can't think to check things useful before just posting up and if an on line company that is your shop window which all see!

[Rob D]

3 hours ago, AngrySquirrel said:

 

Worst ones are ones that just copy and paste the BS without thinking does this Shit make any sense?

Have an advertising/media dept yet can't think to check things useful before just posting up and if an on line company that is your shop window which all see!

 

I think it's down to how many products are sold weighed up with knowledge of using them - in an ideal world you'd have someone who has used the products doing the listings for these same products to at least give a 'human' description... but on the whole people who like using tools don't like typing on computers!

[Piston Skirt]

15 hours ago, MattyF said:

Mmm looks like it didn't have the power to fell it lower down in the buttress hence his ridiculous stump.....barely looked like it had the power to dress out 3" conifer branches ! I'll give it a miss and stick with my 550's

It kinda is in the class of 543XP. Just better.

[Piston Skirt]

14 hours ago, Stere said:

Yeah echo range is really confusing so many small  similar saws hard to know whats what etc.

 

 

 

Aren't the pro ones X series?

 

But then from the myriad of  the the none X series ones some  are better spec than others?

 

And why do some have 4 digit numbers and different letters some 3?

 

 

I’ll simplify:

X series - pro saws with 3 piece engine:

25/38/43/50/60/73cc (2511/390/4310/501/621/7310)

All others: farmer saws except 35cc horizontal engined ones (362TES/WES)

 

3 digit numbering was used for old models of the past couple decades, all NEW chassis are getting 4 digit codes, first 2 meaning approximate engine size, 3rd number tells

engine generation and the last digit means significant modification of the machine (like 2510->2511). Older ones did not have that “third” digit hence 620->621.

[Rob D]

9 hours ago, Piston Skirt said:

I’ll simplify:

X series - pro saws with 3 piece engine:

25/38/43/50/60/73cc (2511/390/4310/501/621/7310)

All others: farmer saws except 35cc horizontal engined ones (362TES/WES)

 

3 digit numbering was used for old models of the past couple decades, all NEW chassis are getting 4 digit codes, first 2 meaning approximate engine size, 3rd number tells

engine generation and the last digit means significant modification of the machine (like 2510->2511). Older ones did not have that “third” digit hence 620->621.

 

Nice info there - I may pinch that for some of the descriptions on the Echos we are selling with your permission?

 

It does make you wonder why this sort of info is not more readily available!

[Stere]

Great info thanks think i kind of understand it now

 

 

 So?

 

 

ES = easy start

WES = horizontal easy start

AC =  auto choke

 

TES = topper 3/8

TESC WESC =  with 1/4 

SX = pro

 

But say the new CS-3510ES looks less "farmer" v  the CS-352ES but its not in pro X range?

 

But  it is not as good as 362WES

 

So its like there is 3 tiers in the 35cc class: homeowner/ farmer/ pro?

 

 

 

& CS-390ESX isn't "x series label" but has x in name so "pro"?

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Piston Skirt]

29 minutes ago, Rob D said:

 

Nice info there - I may pinch that for some of the descriptions on the Echos we are selling with your permission?

 

It does make you wonder why this sort of info is not more readily available!

Of course.

You can simplify it down to the customers - the 362's are also professional despite 2-piece engine (top handle being the obvious in civilized countries). This makes:

2511/362/390/4310/501/621/7310 pro line (most are X). So is the present 50V line-up.

310/352/3510/370/420/4510/490/590 farmer line. 490/590 are overbuilt for farmers (downgraded pro units).

 

Probably the hardest part for ECHO is to explain 100% pro grade concept which I tend to simplify - all engines are built to last/withstand the same respective loads/abuse therefore they can be used extensively. The difference in all machines is just design - "farmer" saws being plastic cased as they get less abuse and servicing, pro saws being 3-piece-engined for serviceability and usage requirements.

[Piston Skirt]

8 minutes ago, Stere said:

ES = easy start YES

WES = horizontal easy start YES

AC =  auto choke YES (honestly there is no actual choke, it is left there just to separate the flow properly :) )

TES = topper 3/8 (can be any pitch, but usually it is 3/8)

TESC WESC =  with 1/4 (C stands for Carving bar which usually is 1/4. NC version is Narrow Carving, being .043 gauge with Yamabiko&Sugihara developed chain)

SX = pro (YES. Originally - pro cutting equipment. This designation is older than X series branding but perfectly fits the situation, therefore all pro units carry this ending)

 

But say the new CS-3510ES looks less "farmer" v  the CS-352ES but its not in pro X range? It has some "abnormal" features for regular farmer saw - roller catcher & very low weight, push-pull air pre-cleaning system and two-way oil tank breather with separate expansion tank.

 

But  it is not as good as 362WES Depends on the personal preference. I wish you could test them side by side - both have similar cutting efficiency but very different feel to it due to different acceleration and torque curves.

 

So its like there is 3 tiers in the 35cc class: homeowner/ farmer/ pro? More yes than no :D 3510 is replacing 352 and 370 being lighter than any of those two and having better power than those two. And better features than those two...

 

& CS-390ESX isn't "x series label" but has x in name so "pro"? Yes, definitely. Originally it was built for Japanese market but also introduced in Europe. The same story is with CS-4310SX as this engine size range is the dominating size in Japanese forestry (and Yamabiko is dominating home market) - steep landscape work is better with lighter saw - a few seconds slower at felling is better deal when you carry few liters less of fuel through the day and go limbing up-down.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Stere]

Thanks

 

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So is the present 50V line-up.

A thing missing with the with the battery products is  how do you compare them if they don't list motor size?

 

E.g the  Echo DCS-1600 whats size motor is that & how does  it compare to say the stihl msa220?

 

You wouldn't spend £500  plus quid on a petrol a saw not knowing the engine spec but it seems normal for battery?

Edited July 20, 2021 by Stere

[Piston Skirt]

16 minutes ago, Stere said:

Thanks

 

A thing missing with the with the battery products is  how do you compare them if they don't list motor size?

 

E.g the  Echo DCS-1600 whats size motor is that & how does  it compare to say the stihl msa220?

 

You wouldn't spend £500  plus quid on a petrol a saw not knowing the engine spec but it seems normal for battery?

This is the hardest part about the battery units. MSA220 claimed 2.1kW at one point and they were not lying - the motor could in theory consume this much energy given the battery could provide it (=36V x 58,3A continuous). Multiply it by efficiency of ~80% and you have the peak output on the PTO shaft.

DCS-1600 has 1.73kW actual OUTPUT (it is shown in service documentation) but also has slightly higher efficiency and highest torque (at the moment).

Marketing boys from all companies could manipulate the consumption-output numbers but Stihl was kind, smart and polite so they removed it from most of the places on the web.

Giving any digits as "granted best", especially for battery saws is misleading the enduser - earlier it was "chain speed" but then again - DCS-1600 is electronically limited over 10kRPM as everything above is very inefficient and there is virtually no torque = no actual cutting at that speed (but a lot of useless heat production). On the paper it looks the slowest but it isn't so in the wood.

 

All in all DCS-1600 and it's upcoming successor are very much on par with MSA220 (to my surprise too!). 540iXP is a bit ahead speed wise but surely not as much as the price is (rebranded 80PX chain on it is really smooth though). As one can predict, lower voltage motors have lower torque.

Edited July 20, 2021 by Piston Skirt