Climate change anyone?

[skyhuck]

1 minute ago, the village idiot said:

Remove CO2 from the atmosphere.

Thats if its defiantly CO2 and not increased sun activity.

[the village idiot]

1 minute ago, skyhuck said:

Thats if its defiantly CO2 and not increased sun activity.

Removing CO2 from the atmosphere would help in both those cases.

[the village idiot]

17 minutes ago, Haironyourchest said:

Oh come on now, that's like something a politician would say. Give me some specific solutions - and solutions that don't just shift the suffering onto someone else, like wealth distribution. 

Look up 'effects of rising global temperatures on human civilisation'.

Death, Flooding, Mass migration, food shortage, freshwater shortage, forest fires, hurricanes etc etc.

 

Suffering.

 

Reduced temperature increase, reduced suffering.

 

[Haironyourchest]

9 minutes ago, the village idiot said:

Look up 'effects of rising global temperatures on human civilisation'.

Death, Flooding, Mass migration, food shortage, freshwater shortage, forest fires, hurricanes etc etc.

 

Suffering.

 

Reduced temperature increase, reduced suffering.

 

Ok, but we cant reduce the temperature without going carbon zero, and crashing our economies. The only way to avoid mass starvation in a global economic collapse would be global communism = more suffering. Either way, you can't avoid the suffering. Thats assuming your climate model prediction are correct. If they are incorrect, then you would be trading the most abundant and free period in human history for global communism - "just in case"

The third option is let all the peoples of the world experience economic freedom in their lifetime in the 21st century, and let the chips fall where they may. If climate catastrophe happens, then we work and build our way out of it with hive cities, floating cities, whatever. If it doesn't happen, then we embark on the golden age. If its a bit of both, then we just roll with the punches, like we've always done.

If someone can figure out a practical way to sequester CO2 that doesn't cost three times the GDP of Earth, then I'm all for it, why not? It's not like future generations can't produce all the CO2 the earth needs by vaporising limestone with solar energy as and when the atmosphere needs a top-up.

 

[the village idiot]

4 minutes ago, Haironyourchest said:

Ok, but we cant reduce the temperature without going carbon zero, and crashing our economies.

There are lots of ways to 'fix' carbon out of the atmosphere. Some of which would improve economies if pursued sensibly.

 

There is no reason in theory why we couldn't fix more carbon out of the atmosphere than we put in. We just need a wealthy country or countries to grab the bull by the horns.

 

Obviously the less carbon we put into the atmosphere the less extensive the remedies have to be.

[Haironyourchest]

Just now, the village idiot said:

There are lots of ways to 'fix' carbon out of the atmosphere. Some of which would improve economies if pursued sensibly.

 

There is no reason in theory why we couldn't fix more carbon out of the atmosphere than we put in. We just need a wealthy country or countries to grab the bull by the horns.

 

Obviously the less carbon we put into the atmosphere the less extensive the remedies have to be.

examples?

[Haironyourchest]

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/01/01/ipcc-silently-slashes-its-global-warming-predictions-in-the-ar5-final-draft/

 

 

The IPCC have actually admitted that their models have been wrong.

 

(going beddie byes now)

Edited March 11, 2019 by Haironyourchest

[the village idiot]

1 minute ago, Haironyourchest said:

examples?

Carbon capture machines, but as you say, very expensive.

 

Biomass converted to biochar/charcoal and incorporated into soils.

 

Seaweed grown in ocean, cut and sunk to sea floor.

 

These are just the ones I've heard about, I haven't researched it further.

[the village idiot]

9 minutes ago, Haironyourchest said:

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/01/01/ipcc-silently-slashes-its-global-warming-predictions-in-the-ar5-final-draft/

 

 

The IPCC have actually admitted that their models have been wrong.

 

(going beddie byes now)

This is another Christopher Monckton article.

 

Please look him up everybody.

[Macpherson]

Essentially.... our beautiful blue oasis in the vastness of our part of the universe is very much like a petri dish  in a lab  with various bacteria in it, to use an analogy  .....sealed and in balance [ or not ] to all intents and purposes, from our very limited point of view.

 

Unfortunately for the whole of this balanced ecosystem some clever folk discovered stuff and stupidly trusted this information to the other anthropoids like the ones that I stand next to in the pub, in order to make money

 

For eons all was in balance.... just like the delicate balance that is on going in each of our super complicated bodies.... What arrogance is displayed when we presume to know anything definitively after the tiny amount of time that we THINK we've found any answers in.

 

On this planet it's only man that shits in his own nest... but it's all the millions of other species that are paying the price of our stupidity as we destroy the environment in our endless pursuit of greed and which may well prove to be the well deserved Achilles heal of the human races 'cancer' of the system.

 

    

Edited March 12, 2019 by Macpherson
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