How long is too long for mill trailer

[openspaceman]

11 hours ago, openspaceman said:

The exception is for an Agricultural Trailed Appliance  which did not require brakes or suspension if they weighed less than 1420kgs, did not exceed 20mph and did not carry a load. I

 

1 hour ago, Justme said:

A quick read of the regs and a trailed appliance is actually an Agricultural Trailed appliance to be exempt.

As I said

1 hour ago, LeeGray said:

To be exempt from what?

Exempt from having brakes.

 

Aside from the lawfulness I wouldn't consider building a mobile mill without brakes as it is far too restrictive, if it weighs over 750kg no ordinary road going vehicle may tow it, it can only be used on strictly forestry or agricultural jobs and it's simply not as safe as one with brakes.

 

When I worked as an agricultural salesman for a year ( that was one of a few others I left out of my career synopsis on another thread) we would deliver balers, which had no brakes, behind the works truck, we never got stopped  and at 24 years old I never questioned the legality.

 

As a further aside I used a 9tonne timber trailer which had no brakes, I only towed it on the road  unladen and would have tried to use the ATA exemption if I was ever stopped but I wasn't. I'm actively researching fitting brakes now, it appears in the thread post pictures of your tractors care of @farmer rod

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[farmer rod]

49 minutes ago, openspaceman said:

 

As I said

Exempt from having brakes.

 

Aside from the lawfulness I wouldn't consider building a mobile mill without brakes as it is far too restrictive, if it weighs over 750kg no ordinary road going vehicle may tow it, it can only be used on strictly forestry or agricultural jobs and it's simply not as safe as one with brakes.

 

When I worked as an agricultural salesman for a year ( that was one of a few others I left out of my career synopsis on another thread) we would deliver balers, which had no brakes, behind the works truck, we never got stopped  and at 24 years old I never questioned the legality.

 

As a further aside I used a 9tonne timber trailer which had no brakes, I only towed it on the road  unladen and would have tried to use the ATA exemption if I was ever stopped but I wasn't. I'm actively researching fitting brakes now, it appears in the thread post pictures of your tractors care of @farmer rod

I can't remember whether there was a back plate on the hub, otherwise it would probably be easier to replace the stub axles  @openspaceman 

[Justme]

3 hours ago, LeeGray said:

To be exempt from what?

The only exemption for trialed appliance I have found so far is for the brakes. I am scanning the IVA regs now.

[Justme]

PS even if exempt from an iva test it will still need to meet the c&u regs which are basically the same thing.

[LeeGray]

3 hours ago, openspaceman said:

 

As I said

Exempt from having brakes.

 

Aside from the lawfulness I wouldn't consider building a mobile mill without brakes as it is far too restrictive, if it weighs over 750kg no ordinary road going vehicle may tow it, it can only be used on strictly forestry or agricultural jobs and it's simply not as safe as one with brakes.

 

When I worked as an agricultural salesman for a year ( that was one of a few others I left out of my career synopsis on another thread) we would deliver balers, which had no brakes, behind the works truck, we never got stopped  and at 24 years old I never questioned the legality.

 

As a further aside I used a 9tonne timber trailer which had no brakes, I only towed it on the road  unladen and would have tried to use the ATA exemption if I was ever stopped but I wasn't. I'm actively researching fitting brakes now, it appears in the thread post pictures of your tractors care of @farmer rod

Ok thanks for the info, but as I said I’ll be building it with brakes as it’ll be over 750kgs and as stated by Bob it would be a handful without them regardless of weight. It’s the need for testing for a trailed implement that seems to be an issue. 

 

[LeeGray]

1 hour ago, Justme said:

PS even if exempt from an iva test it will still need to meet the c&u regs which are basically the same thing.

What’s the IVA test and c&u regs please? Any chance you could post a link up to the regs.

[Justme]

Construction and use regulations.

Individual Vehicle Assessment.

[Justme]

IVA guide

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/iva-manual-for-categories-01-02-03-and-04-trailers

 

 

C&U is huge so you need to identify what you need & then search for that.

[Justme]

3 hours ago, farmer rod said:

I can't remember whether there was a back plate on the hub, otherwise it would probably be easier to replace the stub axles  @openspaceman 

They still need parking brakes even when exempt.

[Justme]

7 hours ago, LeeGray said:

No I’m building a trailed implement. Woodland mills sell these in the uk and people are running them legally as has been said on here. They have no type approval.

Have you actually seen a legal doc that says they are exempt?

 

People can in general sell anything. Its the use that is mostly illegal.

 

Plus they can sell them as Agri legal & people use then for non agri illegally.

 

This is what I have found re IVA.

 

Article 2

Scope

1.   This Directive applies to the type-approval of vehicles designed and constructed in one or more stages for use on the road, and of systems, components and separate technical units designed and constructed for such vehicles.

It also applies to the individual approval of such vehicles.

This Directive also applies to parts and equipment intended for vehicles covered by this Directive.

2.   This Directive does not apply to the type-approval or individual approval of the following vehicles:

(a)

agricultural or forestry tractors, as defined in Directive 2003/37/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 26 May 2003 on type-approval of agricultural or forestry tractors, their trailers and interchangeable towed machinery, together with their systems, components and separate technical units (10) and trailers designed and constructed specifically to be towed by them;

(b)

quadricycles as defined in Directive 2002/24/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 18 March 2002 relating to the type-approval of two or three-wheel motor vehicles (11);

(c)

tracked vehicles.

3.   Type-approval or individual approval under this Directive is optional for the following vehicles:

(a)

vehicles designed and constructed for use principally on construction sites or in quarries, port or airport facilities;

(b)

vehicles designed and constructed for use by the armed services, civil defence, fire services and forces responsible for maintaining public order; and

(c)

*****mobile machinery,******* 

(seems to offer hope but see highlighted bit below)

to the extent that these vehicles fulfil the requirements of this Directive. Such optional approvals shall be without prejudice to the application of Directive 2006/42/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 17 May 2006 on machinery (12).

16.

‘mobile machinery’ means any self-propelled vehicle which is designed and constructed specifically to perform work which, because of its construction characteristics, is not suitable for carrying passengers or for transporting goods. Machinery mounted on a motor vehicle chassis shall not be considered as mobile machinery;

 

 

Quotes from here

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A32007L0046 

Edited December 14, 2018 by Justme