What are you paying your employees?

[forestboy1978]

I give him a subcontractors labour receipt which indicates the amount payment he receives, for when it is done, and he puts his name and address on it and signs it and I send it to my accountant . Same as I always do for everyone. 

 

What's the issue?

 

 

[Rough Hewn]

More than 14 hours a week average over (Xtime?)
Is classed as an employee.
Check the hmrc website for length of time.
I only know this as I worked for a Cnut who told me so he wouldn't have to pay holidays.
[emoji35][emoji23]

[benedmonds]

17 minutes ago, Rough Hewn said:

More than 14 hours a week average over (Xtime?)
Is classed as an employee.
Check the hmrc website for length of time.
I only know this as I worked for a Cnut who told me so he wouldn't have to pay holidays.

Pretty sure that is Not true. I don't believe there is a minimum number of hours..

[forestboy1978]

24 minutes ago, Rough Hewn said:

More than 14 hours a week average over (Xtime?)
Is classed as an employee.
Check the hmrc website for length of time.
I only know this as I worked for a Cnut who told me so he wouldn't have to pay holidays.

I literally hate the bureaucracy of this country. 

 

ASAP I'm out!

[forestboy1978]

16 minutes ago, benedmonds said:

Pretty sure that is Not true. I don't believe there is a minimum number of hours..

Then how does anyone EVER pay for a sub contractor?

[Rough Hewn]

It's the length of time.
Can't remember whether it's 3 months or 1 year.
Probably a year.
It stops a loophole for unscrupulous employers avoiding responsibility.
Nearly.

[forestboy1978]

2 minutes ago, Rough Hewn said:

It's the length of time.
Can't remember whether it's 3 months or 1 year.
Probably a year.
It stops a loophole for unscrupulous employers avoiding responsibility.
Nearly.

yeah but I know people who like saying yeah I can work this day and that day and what have you. What the hell is unscrupulous about that. 

I did agency work. I loved it. Got no holiday pay or sick pay as I recall but earn't more and picked where and when I worked. 

[Rough Hewn]

yeah but I know people who like saying yeah I can work this day and that day and what have you. What the hell is unscrupulous about that. 

I did agency work. I loved it. Got no holiday pay or sick pay as I recall but earn't more and picked where and when I worked. 

Not calling you that.
I worked for EU commission in Brussels DG5 working conditions and labour law.
Had to read hundreds of case studies.
From both sides of the fence.
You wouldn't believe some reports.

I love subbing regularly for the right people. I add holiday pay into my day rate.
[emoji3][emoji106]

[forestboy1978]

8 minutes ago, Rough Hewn said:

Not calling you that.
I worked for EU commission in Brussels DG5 working conditions and labour law.
Had to read hundreds of case studies.
From both sides of the fence.
You wouldn't believe some reports.

I love subbing regularly for the right people. I add holiday pay into my day rate.

I know you weren't mate ?

[Mark Wileman]

1 hour ago, Rough Hewn said:

It's the length of time.
Can't remember whether it's 3 months or 1 year.
Probably a year.
It stops a loophole for unscrupulous employers avoiding responsibility.
Nearly.

Are you sure? I've researched pretty intensively looking for an exact definition but it's just a grey area and totally up to the opinion of the HMRC officer running the case. 

The same can be said for large contracts, whats the difference between me providing an arboricultural contracting service to a tree buisness for 2 years and a civil engineering company providing a service to highways for 2 years? I don't think the tax man is going to be getting Highways UK to pay Balfour Beatty's holiday pay for X amount of thousand employees

 

So long as you aren't breaching any of the bullet points on HMRCs 'are you employed' checklist then they can't touch you.

Edited August 3, 2018 by Mark Wileman