Potus ???

[Johnsond]

3 hours ago, Big J said:

Human caused climate change? It's irrefutable. 

 

I have a good friend in Devon who is a deputy chief forecaster at the Metoffice. Sometimes he's the acting chief, depending on shift patterns. 

 

I chat to him a lot about climate and weather and the rate at which the climate is changing is horrifying. It's not gradual or something that's tied to any natural process. It's rapid, it's accelerating and it's something that's self evident even over our lifetimes. 

 

For reference, the last time that the world had the same CO2 levels as are found today (3 million years ago), it was 2-3c warmer than it is today. There is a lot of scope for it to get a lot warmer. 

 

With the advancing and accelerating melting of the ice caps, global sea rises will cause vast issues for tens of millions of people in low lying regions, resulting in mass migration. Similarly, advancing desertificiation in regions experiencing increasing temperatures and reduced rainfall will result in tens of millions of refugees. 

 

I would have thought that it would serve the white nationalist agenda of people like Trump to try to do all that is possible to keep the darkies in their own countries 😄 🤪

Define Fascist J

What proportion of this devastating climate change do you attribute to the UK ?? 

[Johnsond]

46 minutes ago, Steven P said:

Just checking the title of the thread.... We need one 'Argument Clinic' maybe? "I'm sorry, is this the 5 minute argument or the full half hour"

 

Climate change... regardless of your belief into climate change and the causes I think we all accept that it is changing... even Trump seams to accept that, accusing windmills of causing cancer rather than trying to debunk climate changes.

 

If you are considering areas drying out, the Sahara desert has got about 10% bigger since 1920.... which also kind of coincides with the exponential increase in world CO2 levels at that time... global warming? and well before the Aral sea. No one knows quite all the causes... and I think it is one system and each change will change everything also... divert water to cotton fields, sea empties, has an effect, CO2 levels rise from human activity, has an effect, but the world wide scientific consensus is CO2 is more to blame than anything (other gasses are more potent - cow farts - but there is less of them).

 

I am happy to throw my hat into that idea... yes sea has an effect, but CO2 more of an effect.

 

Going back up a step though, renewable energy - adding it here since it is all tied together (Trump bashing later if I get bored). The world has enough oil for 30 to 35 years (at the current rate of use) plus some that is not economic to extract just now (Wikkipedia)... it will run out but in that time Africa will want to electrify itself, come onto the WWW, rural China will want the same, Rural India... and all increasing demand.. oil is going to run out, coal is going to run out, we can cut down the Amazon for wood chip or we can become world leaders of extracting energy from outside the plant (ie the sun).... wind and solar mainly, maybe tidal or wave plus perhaps stored hydro, small nuclear reactors but the days of oil and gas is limited... and now is the time to change before everyone is and demand exceeds supply.. and then your poor granny will be freezing!

 

Second comment is a repeat of one I made before, the UK is at the mercy of the worlds 'stable' nations for oil supplies - Russia, North Africa / Middle East, Central Africa potentially... not sure I want to be held hostage by any of them over my electricity prices. Well known for their current mentally stable leaders. Back to Trump anyone?

 

Yes back to the topic, I'd be more inclined to believe that Harris is more sympathetic than Trump-in-the-Texas-Oil-Barons-Pocket to renewable energy, and has a more global outlook on the world that perhaps they can also become world leaders in renewable energy rather than following the Chinese (who incidentally also installed the most renewable energy last year). Be happier buying European or US windmills than Chinese ones... but that means we need to take a lead and do it ahead of everyone else

You display a shocking ignorance of both the oil/gas industry and the reality of the current wind generated renewable energy farce. A sensible combination of them all is a basic requirement. Bankrupting ourselves first is not a prize be chasing after. Like I advised 42 you need to get to China and get them

sorted out. You are wasted here. 

[Steven P]

Glad to see that you find the last President of the US being a rapist is funny, Johnson,D

 

 

[Johnsond]

7 hours ago, GarethM said:

And isn't all the UN emissions bs also factored against 1970s or something similar.

 

Almost like you bang on about Co2 with zero comparison to before those dates, the Romans produced so much lead emissions it was visible in ice cores.

 

Take a realistic look at things before you bang the drum about "think of the children"

The UN 🤔 an organisation renowned for its integrity nowadays. 

[Steven P]

"Wind generates more than a quarter of UK electricity" (Wikkipedia).. free from raw energy costs, free from imports from Russia... where is the farce?

[GarethM]

5 minutes ago, Steven P said:

"Wind generates more than a quarter of UK electricity" (Wikkipedia).. free from raw energy costs, free from imports from Russia... where is the farce?

How long does it take to overcome the in bedded carbon from the actual turbine, thousands of tonnes of concrete and rebar plus all the other guff.

 

If it's sooooo free why isnt it cheap then ?.

Edited October 26 by GarethM

[GarethM]

8 minutes ago, Johnsond said:

The UN 🤔 an organisation renowned for its integrity nowadays. 

Is the word venerable, like those weird lodge types. Fancy handshakes, brown envelopes and such 😉

[Steven P]

3 minutes ago, GarethM said:

How long does it take to overcome the in bedded carbon from the actual turbine, thousands of tonnes of concrete and rebar plus all the other guff.

 

If it's sooooo free why isnt it cheap then ?.

 

Not sure but over the life the concrete is less carbon intense than oil... though running out of time today to check the figures

 

 

Cheap... because of the way the pricing works... the rate they get is based on the price that the gas generators get (I think it is based on the gas generators). The excess from their costs is pure profit but nothing the generators can do about it they are contracted to receive that amount. Likewise they are contracted to turn off the windmills if there is too much power - given a free market they should be able to lower prices a lot and given decent energy storage be able to generate whenever the wind is blowing... hopefully someone with a remit for renewable energy this next government can sort that pricing out to lower our costs... but I think that depends on more battery storage being available to maximise wind turbine generation... I can see in 10 years that our electricity costs won't depend on the price of oil but be more stable.

[GarethM]

3 minutes ago, Steven P said:

 

Not sure but over the life the concrete is less carbon intense than oil... though running out of time today to check the figures

 

 

Cheap... because of the way the pricing works... the rate they get is based on the price that the gas generators get (I think it is based on the gas generators). The excess from their costs is pure profit but nothing the generators can do about it they are contracted to receive that amount. Likewise they are contracted to turn off the windmills if there is too much power - given a free market they should be able to lower prices a lot and given decent energy storage be able to generate whenever the wind is blowing... hopefully someone with a remit for renewable energy this next government can sort that pricing out to lower our costs... but I think that depends on more battery storage being available to maximise wind turbine generation... I can see in 10 years that our electricity costs won't depend on the price of oil but be more stable.

Quick Google 2MW is 30,000 tonnes

[Johnsond]

52 minutes ago, Steven P said:

 

Not sure but over the life the concrete is less carbon intense than oil... though running out of time today to check the figures

 

 

Cheap... because of the way the pricing works... the rate they get is based on the price that the gas generators get (I think it is based on the gas generators). The excess from their costs is pure profit but nothing the generators can do about it they are contracted to receive that amount. Likewise they are contracted to turn off the windmills if there is too much power - given a free market they should be able to lower prices a lot and given decent energy storage be able to generate whenever the wind is blowing... hopefully someone with a remit for renewable energy this next government can sort that pricing out to lower our costs... but I think that depends on more battery storage being available to maximise wind turbine generation... I can see in 10 years that our electricity costs won't depend on the price of oil but be more stable.

No concrete to talk of in an offshore wind turbine you dip shit, primarily Chinese steel manufactured using coal 🤷‍♂️

What do you think lubricates the working parts ?? Fairy dust