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  • Article: Pollards, the forgotten art-discussion

    Po!la*d-a four letter word?

     

    One could be forgiven for thinking it is! I am almost afraid to mention the word in today’s arboricultural scene, but am I the only one who thinks it a little ironic that we now revere the very trees that where pruned in such a way we might now lynch those doing it? Is pollarding really to be considered the ultimate sin? Or is there just a lack of insight into the merits and de merits of each case, and a fear of retribution for going out on a limb and making the choice. At this time it’s a brave man that suggests “sensitive pruning” isn’t always the right approach. As a climber of 20 odd years I have done my fair share of old and veteran trees, and had to pollard (oops, blasphemy!) some for spurious reasons, not having been the one responsible for the job specification. If there is one thing I have gained through my successes and failures it is insight, a “feel” for the tree and its life from seed to senescence, its grace and ultimate glory as a grandfather of time.

    Thanks to the likes of Neville Fay and Ted green MBE the arb world is more enlightened on the whole subject of ancient trees and veteranisation, and the world seems to be awakening to a new understanding. We have come almost full circle, we grew a distain for harsh techniques and Hepting/ Shigo and others exposed the issues with poor pruning and treatments. A refined approach was born and some of us went on to become masters of the art in fine tip reductions in respect of this new knowledge. We stopped over lifting tree canopies and crucified the “over thinners” we mobbed the “purveyor’s of pollard”. While all this was going on a few of us “labourers” where reading up and taking notes, watching the debates and doing what we where told was the “best practice”.

     

    “I’m not suggesting we abandon this approach, preservation of amenity is a different game altogether”

     

     

    Now it is our turn to give some input to the debate, and I am certain there will be many “old school” climbers ready to join in. The one thing that is blindingly obvious to me is that very little respect is paid to the “experience factor” it is all well and good educating yourself and gaining a degree in arboriculture, but you can never learn from books what you learn by feel; and trees, though they may be the substance (paper) of text books, rarely are trees text book in nature. I mean no disrespect to the “consultants” but you really should pay more heed to the views and experience of climbers. The older climbers have a body of experience gained from a time when we just got on with it, rounding over, pollarding etc. We might never consider doing it these days but we know HOW to do it and how to do it well, skills that are being lost on a generation of climbers who only know the way it is today.

    What this will mean in a decade or two is that people with the very skills the veteran brigade seek to re learn will be lost, how hard can you prune? Where can we make that cut for the best compromise of vascular support and minimal dysfunction? Have we not learnt just how resilient trees can be? Decay and dysfunction are part and parcel of a trees old age, be that from natural progressive infections or via pruning wounds, they are the same end result so why fear them? I am sick to my teeth of being told I can not do this and I can not do that, when I have all my life proven time and time again that it CAN be done, but it has to be with “insight” I fear if we don’t settle the debate soon a whole gap will appear in the generations of veterans as the old ones die while we are all trying to “rediscover” the old ways. The Japanese have been “veteranising” for a thousand years, albeit on a different scale, the principles are the same. The art of producing a miniature ancient tree of visual stature and form is the same art required to recreate the ancient pollards and veterans of the medieval era. You just have to think BIG.

    I have seen some ridiculous attempts at re creating the pollard, and some pretty dire attempts at recession pruning, so bad in fact I doubt Mr X in his white transit with traces of tarmac could do a worse job! I can no longer remain silent walking the old deer parks and seeing trees unmulched unfenced and unloved, they are as much a part of our green and pleasant lands history as any building or monument yet they are left to fend for themselves much of the time despite all the current knowledge available. We need to re-evaluate the pollard fast and to think of pollarding as an option for those old trees considered for felling due to various defects, infections or even subsidence issues. I do not mean the way its done on LA budgets either for those thinking along those lines!

    Some people in the field are of the opinion that pollarding was carried out when the tree was young and while this may be true in today’s scene, it was certainly not the case in the medieval period or Tudor period. I am well aware that there exist few records of the pollarding of old. However the tree is a record of its life, it tells us like a book of a thousand pages what events took place in its life, and when. One only has to look at those old pollards of Burnham to see that pollarding was a brutal practice; the evidence is in the hollow centres. We only have to look at compartmentalisation to see how large the tree was when it was Pollarded. The now hollow stems are the new wood that formed over the dysfunctional core. While the living cambium continued to grow over the now dead part, the demons of D, death, decay and dysfunction (Shigo), moved in and had a tasty supper of lignin and/or cellulose.

    I think there was two ways possibly three of pollarding, and certain that Arborist’s of the time much like the good ones today had a “feel” for their art. I am certain that a tree that had previously been un-pollarded would have had the two major lower limbs left on and been decapitated above this point. This guaranteed that the tree would continue to grow and survive the loss of its head, like the “monarchs without head” a form that is made perfectly naturally. We have to realise that in those times text books where the preserve of the wealthy, these where craftsman whose skills where passed on to a new generation of apprentices. They also had the luxury of more trees to make mistakes with, if one or two died it was no big deal, it made good firewood! Today if we gambled with one of say three oaks on a site we would be justifiably lynched if they was to die from such a brutal practice.

    Now going back to the monarch without head, I am certain that once good re growth was established and of much more slender proportions the now only substantial wood left was also highly desirable and those limbs originally left in place where now cut back to some re growth on their length. I am certain it was this process that created those extraordinarily wide shoulders or “pollard heads” we now see especially in the Burnham beech trees. This is also evident in the way the decay columns extend into the larger thicker sections of these old pollard heads.

    This brings me to the whole demons of D thing again, and I think we need to understand these processes far better if we are to re create our heritage trees for future generations to revere. Its an area of heated debate, and an area that is still to this day largely misunderstood and understudied. I hope to convince the sceptical of the role fungi play in the longevity of trees; this is a co evolutionary process that has gone on for millennia. I have a disdain for the word attack when it comes to fungi, and prefer to think of it as taking advantage of a situation. As with all natural organisms and systems they have a role and a purpose, they are essential and should not be viewed as an “enemy”

     

    I think there may have been a time in history, and not so long ago, when mans activities actualy enhanced Bio diversity, rather than eliminated it. We are losing our way, its time to re think our strategies.

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    howdy, i am glad you have a sense of humour, i think you need to realise that most of us arent against a pollarding, i think you should spend some time looking through monkeyd's threads over the last couple of years, i have only been on here for just over a year and i have had my eyes opened to diferent techniques, but i do have a mortgage to pay and if i dont do it someone else will, i certainly wont jepordise my reputation thats for sure. but the trouble with a private contractor doing monoliths, pollarding, very light reductions etc. our customers have a budget and there is the insurance side of things, i can guarantee to take the sail effect out a big sycamore if i pollard it but not if i trim 5 feet off it all the way round, and who wants a rotting stem in their back garden attracting bugs and fungis. i have spent a lot of time wondering why why why, now i am quite content on because it just is, i dont have the IQ to take in half the stuff anyway.

     

    Come on fella, you aint fick! and why not garauntee a five feet reduction all round?

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    English oak,amongst other species,was the backbone of early industrial revolution,as before then timber was grown and cut for boatbuilding,land transport and building.

    Coppice and pollard provided for the many structural forms now replaced by plastics,metals and concrete.

    As the comercial viability of timber declines due to 'new materials' and timber imports,these old 'working trees' are left to their own devices.

    It is my wish that they(coppice & pollard) were still worked and the produce used.

     

    i totaly agree, and it isnt as though we dont have a market for the produce iether! madness

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    can i just ask, does everyone agree that we need as humans to change our thinking?

     

    don't read between the lines! as it states!

     

    You get a yes from me as well:thumbup1:

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    How about ''culturally selfish'' I like the sound of that.............:confused1:

     

    well thats kinda where the term selfish gene mislead. if you mean what i think you mean, if you know what i mean! lmao:001_tt2:

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    madness, I gave you lot a thread for this imensely interesting debate and you all want to have the gene evolution flippin talk in this thread! go on the lot of you, get on over to the rayner thread and keep it going!

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    As an aside,(so please forgive),I was today talking to a ma who mills/splits and works timber suplying various trades(lock gates,furniture,chestnut fence etc),and he is making and selling shingles,usualy made from resinous evergreen, well,he is also producing shingles from poplar,and reckons they are durable.

    Back on track,these old pollards/copice that are now not worked,what prognosis for their future? I feel they would live for longer,even as a legacy of our past,if they were to be worked.

    But fear they were used as a 'spring board' to lift us to the 'plastic era'!

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    As an aside,(so please forgive),I was today talking to a ma who mills/splits and works timber suplying various trades(lock gates,furniture,chestnut fence etc),and he is making and selling shingles,usualy made from resinous evergreen, well,he is also producing shingles from poplar,and reckons they are durable.

    Back on track,these old pollards/copice that are now not worked,what prognosis for their future? I feel they would live for longer,even as a legacy of our past,if they were to be worked.

    But fear they were used as a 'spring board' to lift us to the 'plastic era'!

     

    those old pollards will in time all split themselves to pieces, and doubt many of the best examples of hornbeam and beach have long if we dont act soon.

     

    I had an idea once to gather a clan of like minded men of high calibre, we would call ourselves the ivy leuge and go about the country volunteering to work ancient pollards to save them, totaly free of charge, landrover a tipee and a chipper, loads of eco work done while at it sort of thing.

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    why not guarantee a 5 feet reduction?

     

    i am not thick but the year i thinned out 2 trees they blew over in a storm a few months later, one landed on a main rd during the day and the other miseed a house by a cats whiskers, they were both root bound, one was about fo ft high and the other was about 3 feet in diameter. i never recomended the works, i originally wanted to fell them but i was convinced by the customer to thin them out, there were no visual signs of root problems above ground. :thumbdown:

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    I have been working for the last few yeasr with a sawmill and 're marketing' the idea that the timber we are surrounded by can be re used- a tree taken down in a garden can be made into furniture, or a shed in the very place it came down. Because thats exactly what we used to do, coppice and pollard products were used locally, those products kept people employed locally and thus the cycle continued, until cheap oil. Thats the problem we face. Its far easier and cheaper to buy a picnic bench from b&q than have one made from local oak. But if oil gets expensive and 'timber miles' get expensive then we will need to use local timber for local product. But it about education and money. Your man with his tree next to the house mibght like the idea that if it were pollarded it would keep him in firewood for life, but hes got a gas fire..

    So just fell it and be done..

     

    The world has changed, for some its for the better. Life in the woods to get your products is hard, trying to sell shingles and compete with tin is hard, splitting firewood is hard. People want an easy life. You come home and switch the lights on. They wrok without anythought as to where the power is coming from.

     

    Its all well and good looking at how pollarding fits with nature-bugs , fungi etc, but how does it fit with your man in the street?

     

    Starting to waffle again..

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    I have been working for the last few yeasr with a sawmill and 're marketing' the idea that the timber we are surrounded by can be re used- a tree taken down in a garden can be made into furniture, or a shed in the very place it came down. Because thats exactly what we used to do, coppice and pollard products were used locally, those products kept people employed locally and thus the cycle continued, until cheap oil. Thats the problem we face. Its far easier and cheaper to buy a picnic bench from b&q than have one made from local oak. But if oil gets expensive and 'timber miles' get expensive then we will need to use local timber for local product. But it about education and money. Your man with his tree next to the house mibght like the idea that if it were pollarded it would keep him in firewood for life, but hes got a gas fire..

    So just fell it and be done..

     

    The world has changed, for some its for the better. Life in the woods to get your products is hard, trying to sell shingles and compete with tin is hard, splitting firewood is hard. People want an easy life. You come home and switch the lights on. They wrok without anythought as to where the power is coming from.

     

    Its all well and good looking at how pollarding fits with nature-bugs , fungi etc, but how does it fit with your man in the street?

     

    Starting to waffle again..

     

    Not wafling at all, i do wish people would stop worrying about expressing their views, its ALL good man. You make a good point, but one we already know, so how about debate on HOW WE can chsange the "thinking" it cant be too hard, the public now have a better understanding of "air miles" and legitimate sourced goods etc, eventualy slowly, we will brifge this gap, and find a bio diverse, comunity enhanced way of life. it is coming, i remain ever optomistic

     

    I wanted to see Trades folks views on what is essentialy a harsh technique in the urban fringe, and what we might do about finsding our way again.

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