Youngstu

Or just defend the point you tried to make!

Or by using a similarly flawed logic, there have been teachers, scout leaders, priests, doctors etc etc who have used their position to get close to children for their own pleasure therefore we should get rid of them. Or people learn to box or do martial arts and use those skills to beat others up, so we'd better stop all that happening. Or there have been soldiers, policemen, security guards who commit domestic abuse so they need to be stopped too. Or alcohol is a major cause of many types of violence and other disorder so that should be banned outright. Conscription? if that was to come back over here, should that only apply to men? if so why? In Israel from what I understad it applies to everyone unless they are exempt for some particular reason such as particularly orthodox forms of judaism. I don't think low level theft should be ignored at all, but at which point is prison appropriate, what is the deciding factor, value, threat of violence or what? as they're full anyway and there has to be a deciding line, to justice system is in a bad place so maybe they need to look at a variety of other things that could be ignored, maybe decriminalisation of drug use or even legalisation across the board to remove the criminal element and help raise some taxes?! Maybe if a choice or behaviour doesn't cause harm to others, where that continues to be the case those involved should be left to it and everyone else should mind their own business, every case being treated individually if and when considered necessary?

not sure where I said anything about prisons or even the police! I was talking about respecting decisions in day to day life as opposed to being intentionally offensive to that person.

Not really the best of arguments for not respecting the decisions and wishes of another person! One extreme example doesn't mean it's the same for everyone, believe it or not! If everything you say there is true, you really are not a very pleasant, kind or respectful person, unless people have the same views and values as you.

So if you had a family member, or a good friend, or one of their children who decided that they weren't who they originally were and chose a different name and gender that they wished to be recognised and addressed by, you would point blank refuse to do that to their face, despite that being their wish and that of those supporting them? I'm not asking about when you're talking about them to others, but actually to their face.

I think it's really more about respect, empathy and kindness. From a personal perspective I think religious beliefs are essentially a load of waddle and brainwashing, but even though I think that, I don't feel the need to tell friends, colleagues or others that what they think is wrong in my opinion. If they individually are doing no harm with their beliefs and practises, respect their choices and leave them be. Out of interest have you been in a position where you refuse to use a person's chosen name or outwardly refuse to respect their gender choice, or is it at this stage hypothetical bluster?

Go on then Gareth, as you seem to have made it further than the first paragraph that your mate got to before seeing red and getting typically defensive, please do elaborate on what you think is shite and why. But I am glad that you recognise that being gay isn't something new..

This is exactly the point I was trying to make to you!

This might be a long one, so let's start with the first paragraph of your outburst: Discussing the issues with your child with an open mind to what they have heard or feel could lead to some interesting discussions and the opportunity to express why you feel the way you do without just dismissing what they have heard from elsewhere as "crap". This particular topic wasn't about this issue being right wing, that's just a massive amount of the other stuff you post on here, and presumably subject your children to, but your absolute dismissal of these things comes across as angry and is intolerant. There are so many factors influencing young people's mental health and some of the most influential are living up to the expectations of others and feeling that they can't be as good/attractive/strong/clever/successful etc as they feel they should be, whether that's based on the influence of their peers and role models, be they friends, family or others they know of through media etc. Is pandering to them really the reason for the mental health issues, there are a fair few people in society of our generation whose mental health issues are undeniably caused primarily by the dismissal and oppression of those feelings about themselves that weren't "acceptable" at home, or at the time and the experiences that they had because of it, whether it was intollerance, dismissal, humiliation, physical violence or whatever they experienced because of their differences. "BS first world manufactured problem" - You say a lot about all of the places that you've been in the world, so I'd expect you to know that the LGBTQ and trans thing is far from just a 1st world thing! No I don't think that those in my family (and similarly in the familes of others) are right and I'm wrong, I think that they are uninformed and unwilling to see that their viewpoint is outdated and they need to reeducate themselves. There's that age old response of there weren't all those gays/trans/lesbians etc back then, so why are there now? (normally given as a statement as opposed to a question that they want answering!) The clearest answer in reality is to do with the changes in the law and ways that people can't be discriminated against. When the country was much more homophobic, people who were gay and didn't want to either be beaten up or abused for it, or pretend they were something else would move away to more tolerant areas like Brighton, London or other places where they could be themselves without judgement and with a support network from others who understood and accepted them for being them. Now people can be openly gay/trans etc without the same level of fear that they would have had in the past. It is absolutely about respecting an individual to accept what they believe to be true as being true for them. They may make a decision, go through an assortment of procedures and stick with their decision until they dies, or they may change their mind a few years down the line, the latter bit is why the powers that be have prevented young people from being able to access puberty blockers and undergo surgery until they are older, but if you've ever witnessed the effects of the mental turmoil of a teen who is considered to have body dismorphia and is doing what they can to (often painfully) hide the changes that come about through puberty such as binding etc you may have slightly more sympathy. At the end of the day why do you feel that you have the right to dismiss a person's opinion of themselves and who they are, and are you that hellbent on your own hatred of the idea to refuse to call a stranger, or someone you know by the name that they would like to use, or even the pronoun they wish to use. This final bit is a minefield for people of our generation as it's new and we won't always get it right, but if you approach it without the intention to offend the chances are thay they won't mind and accept that you made an innocent mistake, but if you refuse to do so because you think it's all bollocks it's completely disrespecting that person and the choices that they have made, you may think it, but you really don't need to express it to them.

That last bit there! The internet, social and mainstream media cause a huge amount of problems, but they also open people's eyes and ears to viewpoints beyond those they hear at home. So one of your 6 children (to your knowledge) so far has not sided to your own intollerant viewpoints and you're doing your best to change that! I'm sure that there are quite a lot of us of a more tolerant persuasion who have to put up with the viewpoints of our right wing, intollerant and angry parents shouting at the news about everything that's gone wrong with the world. I know for me and many others we've had to learn to put up with it, ignore it, pick our times for an argument, or walk away so as not to have to continuously hear their angry thoughts. But for family peace and as they may not have that many years left we don't bother to pursue trying to change their minds as we may have done in the past. It is OK for family members to have different viewpoints and for kids to find their own way in the world, just because she doesn't mind how others want to identify, you don't have to draw her into your world in that respect. If she's happy to sit next to Jodie and call her Jodie even though she used to be called James as that's what makes her happy then that's no bad thing, it's about respect for the other person at the end of the day!

What you don't seem to realise, or it doesn't fit your narrative is that as far as I remember, nobody on here has disputed what happened, or even disputed that not enough done/there was incompetence or even some kind of cover up of what did or din't happen in the lack of investigation etc. What people do bring up over and over again and you continue to do, over and over is post negative stories with a very obvious racial/cultural bias. As has been pointed out, the only crimes (or the vast, overwhelming majority) that you highlight on this and other pages are those done by non white, generally muslim perpetrators. At the end of the day, you are hugely selective in what you think that others on this forum need to see, and the determining factors seems to be race/religion.

Yes, and ideally get rid of the public schools completely as they only continue to increase the divided society. In a system like one of the scandinavian countries (can't remember which) there is no private schooling and therefore the wealthier parents can and do support the education of their little ones, so the schools are well supported by those who can, they are personally invested in them. Our system has so many issues and some of them are worst in broadly affluent areas where the state schools are really not good, partly or mainly because those with money who are "interested" in there children's education and can find the means use the private option. The them and us is only perpetuated by having schools for the wealthy and influential.

Is this job you're on particularly stressful? You seem to have been especially angry over the last few days!

Another unreadable article for those of us not on Linkedin! But from looking him up, he looks like he's done some good stuff, then stood for Reform and a few other things indicating his thinking on certain issues! I'll ask again Just out of curiosity did you share that particular screenshot widely with your crew mates of all races and faiths, or do you keep that aspect of yourself for the chosen few? And again, just out of curiosity, your racist "jokes" that you posted, where did they come from? It's just that as you often explain your whole phone screenshots and unreadable links are due to your technical simplicity, but those particular pictures/screenshots look quite well cropped to only include the relevant "jokes" at this time!

Just out of curiosity did you share that particular screenshot widely with your crew mates of all races and faiths, or do you keep that aspect of yourself for the chosen few?

The next thing we know you'll be getting all uppity when someone has the audacity to accuse you of being racist!

Did you read the article? It does go some way to explain the extent of his pardons, including categorical pardons for those incarcerated for possession of marijuana, and service members imprisoned due to their sexual orientation.

Joe Biden commutes sentences of 37 out of 40 federal death row inmates | US politics | The Guardian WWW.THEGUARDIAN.COM The clemency action applies to all federal death row inmates except three convicted of terrorism or...

that's not my opinion no, it was a tongue in cheek statement! However there are some on here who appear to raise issues of nationality when people in their chosen articles have skin colour that isn't of the pale northern european variety.

I don't dispute the gravity of the crimes committed by your chosen offenders whatsoever, they are horrific and those responsible should be locked up for a very long time, and if they are citizens of other countries, be sent back there after completing their sentences. But it is also just yet another one of your posts about bad things that "immigrants" have done, and let's face it, you seem to have a preference for criminals with darker skin and ideally muslim sounding names! Judging by the prevalence of this type of post that you share, I can only assume that you either go searching the news providers for crimes committed by people who may have come here from somewhere else, in ordero share with everyone on here who may have missed them, or that the algorithms on your social media fields highlight this type of news story for you due to your reading and sharing history.

Here we go again...... Evidently these four men aren't "white british", but from the articles about them I can't see anything about their recent immigration status, or even nationality at birth. Maybe for balance we should have some random white people who've also committed reprehensible sexual crimes... will the country ever be safe with all of these home grown predators strolling the streets? These were all from the first page of a google search for "sex crime convictions this week uk". There were a few others in there but they had darker skin or foreign sounding names so wouldn't have helped me to illustrate my point....... Hopefully the very important links work! Just a moment... WWW.HAMPSHIRE.POLICE.UK Just a moment... WWW.SOUTH-WALES.POLICE.UK Just a moment... WWW.THAMESVALLEY.POLICE.UK https://www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/news/man-jailed-for-21-years-for-abusing-children Former Olympian guilty of raping teenage girls | The Crown Prosecution Service WWW.CPS.GOV.UK “Jekyll and Hyde” character convicted of violent sexual offences over more than 20 years | The Crown Prosecution Service WWW.CPS.GOV.UK Prosecutors authorise sex offence charges against former police officer David Carrick | The Crown Prosecution Service WWW.CPS.GOV.UK Just a moment... WWW.STAFFORDSHIRE.POLICE.UK Just a moment... WWW.SOUTH-WALES.POLICE.UK Men raped woman they had just met on nightclub dancefloor then ran off high-fiving each other WWW.INDEPENDENT.CO.UK Attackers left vulnerable victim with 'severe' injuries The last pair could be mistaken for bona fide brits if you were to glance at them, but they are actually Italian and undoubtedly arrived here without all of the checks that someone with darker skin from further afield might be expected to undertake, but they still turned out to be sexual predators!

Excluding yourself of course!

Should the police/press/authorities respond and react differently in different situations? If the "trouble makers" are those that have been aggrieved by a particular incident, and/or are from the immediate surrounding area and local tensions have bubbled over when compared to trouble makers who have gone to an area in order to start trouble, using an incident that ultimatley has nothing to do with them to provide "justification" for their own actions and to further their agenda. If it was an incident for example in a school or a workplace, would an individual who had been relentlessly harassed and finally lost their temper, punching someone be deserving of the same punishment as a "bully" who just goes around and punches someone just because they don't like them?