Aspen@AAOIL

On 25/08/2017 at 17:44, Stubby said:

Any one know if a new  rep for West Sussex will be appointed ? Used to get my Aspen from DM chainsaws but they not seen a rep in months and have run out .

Hi Stubby,

I'm sorry that you arent able to get Aspen from DM chainsaws at this moment in time, fortunately there are a few other stockists in your area which can be found on our website https://aspenfuel.co.uk/where-to-buy/

in addition to what Barrie has already said, we have had a very busy year here at AAOIL with Aspen sales rapidly increasing and taking on new members of staff that require training. I personally cover the small area which covers DM chainsaws and i will try to catch up with them soon to find out why they haven't got any stock at the moment. As Barrie already pointed out however, it only takes about a minute for a dealer to place an order with us and have it within a couple of days 

Whilst Eddie doesn't work for us any longer, you will still find him championing Aspen at his new job at Chichester farm machinery which coincidentally isn't so far from you!

Axel 

Can you get it in Australia do you know?

 

Im currently working in Amsterdam and here in Netherlands any business is required by law to use aspen. I believe private users can still use 2 stroke.

Hi Chris,

Aspen isn't available in Australia at this current time. check on Aspen Fuels to see if it becomes available in the future.

You can get stihl motomix in Australia but i don't believe it is the same product as you can buy in the UK which is similer to Aspen. In Australia i assume it is a similer blend as motomix in America, simply ready mixed ethanol free fuel which has no emission/health benefits.

Great to hear Matthew! look forward to hearing your feedback

One thing to bear in mind, if your machine has been running lots of regular fuel in the past, It is likely to take a few tanks before you really see the benefits of Aspen.

On some machines, especially if the user has been running very rich oil mixtures. It may actually produce a little more smoke when initially switching to Aspen as it has a cleaning effect which burns of the residue built up inside your engine.

Hi Matthew,

Aspen began producing fuels which were designed especially for this reason in 1988 and has been the market leader in fuels for small engine machinery ever since.

Have a read on arbtalk about peoples feedback on the product. The majority of people who switch over to Aspen fuel for their machines would never go back to regular 2-stroke mix after giving it a try.

I suggest you pop into your nearest dealer and give it a try or give us a call if you require any more information.

Aspen Fuel :: Stockists

regards

Axel

Correct, although as Garden kit much rightly pointed out. The chances of this being a contributing factor to the guys starting problems are very slim.

The same thing could happen with Pump fuel too, however the change is ever so slight with Aspen that you are unlikely to see a problem. running winter grade pump fuel during summer however you are way more likely to have starting issues with vapour lock then you ever would using Aspen.

RVP (Reid Vapour Pressure) only varies between 55-65 kPa in Aspen compared to 45-95 kpa in pump fuel.

I thought it had a five year shelf life?

If so you could easily end up using winter grade in the summer and vice versa?

 

 

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Hi Rob,

if you have not had any difficulty starting this saw before then it sounds like this is related to the unusually hot weather we are experiencing in the UK just now. I am not sure if there are any known starting issues with this model saw in hot climates.

There is a good chance you are getting vapour lock in your fuel system. Are you using fuel purchased during winter? Aspen is seasonally adjusted (as is pump fuel) to aid easier starting during hot or cold conditions depending on the season. I'm not saying this is the problem you are experiencing but it is worth knowing.

If you let me know the batch number printed on the can i can let you know either way.

well today in this heat my echo 2511tes running on aspen since it was new at christmas the saw would have only had about 5 litres of fuel through it was being a pig today very had to get it to start about 30 pull not joke then had idling problems would only ticky over for 30 seconds befor it run off. i only run two of my saws on aspen a 661c and the echo 2511tes, the husky 365xp and 550xp and the ms150 all started with no fuss and ran perfect on standard bp unleaded and standard oregon red two stroke

Hi Dan,

The biggest problem with 2-stroke machines is that they emit a lot of un-burnt fuel. depending on the machine, this can vary from around 15-30%. This is one of the downsides of 2-stroke engine design and is the reason why Husqvarna designed the X-Torq system which helps lower this figure.

Knowing exactly what it is you are breathing in at any given point is virtually impossible to measure but by using a cleaner fuel such as Aspen you can reduce your exposure to aromatics and benzene in particular quite dramatically.

perhaps this will give you a better visual understanding of the difference that simply switching fuels can make on your machineries benzene emissions (carcinogenic)

Thanks, I've seen that before, I'm interested in what's actually coming out of the exhaust and being inhaled. New saws have emission guidelines? So would be good to know what I'm actually breating in once the fuel and been burnt and at the distance from the exhaust my head is at. Ideally expanded to what you'd be breating in walking down the road as cars would obviously be throwing out loads more than a saw would of nasty stuff? If that argument can be made I'd switch. Really can't get on board with the machinery breakdown argument, the maths just isn't there

 

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I've read that Aspen is mandatory in Sweden, ie. - illegal to use pump petrol in 2-stroke machines - ID be interested to know if this is true, and if it is, do the Swedes actually comply? Any Swedes on the forum?

It isn't mandatory but alkylate petrol is recommended if you are using 2-stroke equipment at work in Sweden. It has been used so long over there that it has become standard practice, just like wearing chainsaw trousers etc.

Thanks to everyone that came and said hello to us over the busy couple of days.

Great to meet so many people who already enjoy the benefits of our products and at the same time it was excellent to see how many teams of guys (and girls) were excited to learn about our products.

Times are definitely changing

Hi all,

Just wanted to invite you all to come by our stand tomorrow and Saturday at the Arb show.

Come and find out what its all about and how our bulk delivery service can benefit your business.

Joining us for the show, professional arborist Tony Gascoyne will be available to talk to you about his experiences since switching to Aspen fuels in 2011.

If you area already using our products, please come by and say hi.

Thanks

Axel

I was told using stihl oil protected the fuel and stepped it doing this, so only use it. did have problem with a ktm bike once but my old drz and my chain saws, i can leave one a year and will start. the mower, well that just sits in a damp shed, never had apron with it. ? combination of fuel and cheaper rubber used in modern machines?

Sounds like you are both very lucky people, either that or your local fuel stations are providing something different to the rest of the country.

Modern machines have a tendency to be more susceptible to stale fuel problems. This largely comes down to the fact that modern machines are set up to run much leaner than before due to having to meet todays emission standards.

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For more information regarding Aspen fuel or to find your nearest dealer - please visit http://www.aspenfuel.co.uk

In this series of Aspen mini documentaries which we will bring out during the course of next year, we will aim to bring you short user videos showing Aspen fuel being used in different real world situations.

To be in with a chance of being featured in one of these types of video, please send me a PM and explain how and why you love using Aspen fuel.

We have never done any back to back tests comparing 2-stroke oils designed for vehicles with Aspen 2 FRT.

I'm sure that the mix you are creating works fine for your machinery as you have proven to yourself. However, the oil in Aspen 2 has been designed especially for chainsaws and other 2-stroke machinery, with both machinery performance and emissions in mind. Aspen has sold over 50 million litres of the new Aspen 2 FRT mix to thousands of happy customers who demand the best in health and perfomance.

by mixing your own oil with Aspen 4, not only are you spending more money, you are also having the inconveniance of mixing it yourself and potentially getting the mix wrong...

If i was you, i would definetly consider switching to Aspen 2 when you have used up your remaining 2-stroke oil. Or consider selling what you have left to someone who rides 2-stroke bikes.

Each to their own though and you do whatever works best for you :thumbup1:

Just out of interest do you know how the oil in Aspen compares to Red Line Racing 2T oil ? I mix this with Aspen 4 at 50:1 .

Aspen fuel isnt just ethanol free, its also free of Benzene and harful aromatics.

Not only will your machinery run a lot cleaner, you will be able to leave Aspen in your tank for extended periods of time without having any issues with the fuel going stale etc.

You will also notice that the toxic emissions leaving the saw are drastically reduced which will benefit your health in the long run. double win :thumbup1:

Looking to try out some of the ethanol free aspen fuel. Been using the husqvarna XP oil along with regular unleaded but as its rich in ethanol can cause issues with the 550XP. Husky tech said to use high octane fuel. Seen the aspen 2 50:1 ready mix and the aspen 4 fuel needing to be mixed with a decent synthetic oil. Can anyone give me their thoughts? Cheers

 

 

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We have a few of these on test here in the UK.

Some of you may even have seen it at the arb show earlier this year.

As soon as we can get them, we will update on our website and on arbtalk

 

Just receive last week this multihandle to test in the woods. Dutch importer gave me also 6 cans for free and 4 cans of chain oil )

 

 

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Not going to happen, already discussed and he feels he can't absorb the extra cost.

Interesting,

I speak to a lot of people in the industry at shows etc, and the one big point that always gets discussed is the costs involved.

What is interesting however is that the companies that use Aspen on a regular basis, quickly accept the cost and dont see it as an issue. This is mainly due to the fact that there machines last longer and there staff are happier which in return means they perform better and they certainly wouldnt want to revert back to regular petrol. A lot of them tell me that to begin with, they were concerned about the additional costs but once they made the switch they have never looked back.

Obviously if you make a direct comparison between the cost of Aspen vs pump fuel, based on nothing else, then pump fuel is the winner.

However, most people seem to forget the many advantages which tends to tip the scales back to Aspens side.

By ordering in bulk (54 x 5L cans), not only would you be able to expect a slightly discounted buying price over buying a single can at a time but you also get the following advantages.

• Free delivery - means no more time wasted going to the petrol station to get fuel
  
• ready mixed fuel - means no chance of machinery getting damaged from incorrect mixtures or time wastage in carrying out the mixing
  
• longer lasting machinery - no soot build up or problems with stale fuel
  
• health benefits - not breathing in toxic emissions on a daily basis
  

Employers often fail to look into the actual cost increase when considering switching to Aspen. Maybe he/she doesnt see the benefits because they havent experienced the difference themselves.

I bet if they sat down and did the sums by including all of the costs involved of doing a particular job, then they would discover that 2-stroke fuel costs stand for a very small portion and that they could indeed afford to use Aspen.

The above users make a good point on what CAN happen when switching from pump fuel to Aspen. these are worst case scenarios however and you may find that your particular machine does not suffer from any problems going between the 2 different types of fuel.

Some machines will require a slight low speed carburettor adjustment to reach optimum performance which might take away some of the conveniance of running Aspen if you are constantly changing fuel types and having to adjust the machine to suit.

You obviously recognise the benefits in using Aspen fuel, seeing as you have brought a can to use in your newly purchased equipment. With this in mind, maybe it would be a good time to talk to your employer who you contract for in the week about providing you with the same fuel at work.

Reviving an old thread here...

 

I've just bought a thing of Aspen for the trimmer and blower I've recently bought, so that'll be fine.

 

I contract 2-3 days a week, and on those days my saws are filled with normal fuel and red Stihl two stroke. Any long term experience of regularly switching between Aspen and conventional fuel? No problem or absolute no-no? Any symptoms I need to look out for?

Hi Andy, there is no reason why the 460 or 490 should not run on Aspen, had the machines been run for a long time on normal petrol before you made the switch to trying Aspen?

sounds like there could be an underlying machinery issue to blame or maybe the mtronic system simply needs calibrating after switching fuels.

I have used aspen 2 on fs 460 and 490 with no joy they just keep cutting out, on the other hand my chainsaws, blowers, hedge cutter, fs 400, and small strimmer all work fine if not better, shame as I use the 460 490 all the time.

Hi Syd,

I presume it was myself (Axel) you spoke to at the Arb show as Eddie wasn't present at this event.

Aspen 2 is a far superior fuel to what you can create yourself when mixing your own oil with fuel from the petrol station. it is much kinder to both machine and operator health.

There are no issues with warranties when using Aspen 2 in new machines, if you look in most husqvarna chainsaw manuals you will see that it reccomends the use of Aspen alkylate fuel.

Stihl will also aknowledge that Aspen fuel is superior in terms of protection to their engines compared to conventional fuel/oil mix allthough they obviously arent as public about this now that they are trying to push motomix onto the market.

Should you have any further worries over warranty with a stihl machine running Aspen, we have signed documents from stihl which states "Aspen fuel in our producst does not affect warranty for any problem caused by manufacturing or material defect"

you can contact me directly with any questions regarding Aspen on 01929 555979

Thanks

Axel

What garden kit said ^^^

We are more than happy to talk to you regarding anything to do with Aspen but all orders will go through your local dealer.

You can find your local stockist here:

Aspen Fuel :: Stockist Locator

Look out for the Aspen Service Centre dealers, these shops are the experts

wheres best to bulk buy around 800 litres?

Similar to Aspen ?

Similar in the sense that it burns as you can see in the video. It could be a good alternative for the tree surgeons who think Aspen fuel is just too cheap! As coleman fuel costs £8 + a litre

Unlike Aspen however, Coleman fuel is not designed to be used in garden machinery.

Very true

Hi all,

Just wanted to invite all of you arbtalkers to our stand (D11) at the arb show these next couple of days.

If you're allready an Aspen convert, we would love to hear from you so please pop in for a chat (there might even be some freebies)

New users can claim a free sample by registering online through the link on the arbtalk home page. http://arbtalk.co.uk/forum/news/100049-come-fuel-difference-arb-show-3-4th-june.html

Myself (Axel) and Jasmine will be onsite to answer any of your questions and we also have demo machines running on aspen and pump fuel to show you the difference.

See you there and fingers crossed for good weather!

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I think you allready have the answer from me through facebook, but if anyone else is interested.

Aspen is available in Sicily

Rivenditori - Aspen Benzina

Hi just fitted a new carb I use aspen fuel in my hedgecutter top speed fine just slow on pick up what needle needs adjusting?

If your experiencing a sluggish pick up whilst running on Aspen, you will need to richen up the low speed adjustment needle about a 1/4 turn to compensate for the lack of aromatics.