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A perfectly acceptable and well recognised approach and the key word "possibility" of retention Please excuse me for being a pedantic b*****d David but these are all relevant Points when dealing with something of this size in this particular location Kindest Regards J
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Thats quite understandable, however, during the assessment, if it was found that the residual wall is less than the established amount, a vast portion of the live crown would have to be removed. It is true that any tree, regardless of the thickness to wall ratio can be retained, unfortunately, if the residual wall gets too thin then what we would be left with after our reduction is nothing more than a pole smothered with epicormic growth, looking more like an over-sized toilet brush as opposed to a tree. The professional tree inspection workbook tells us that if a defect apears to be a cause for concern " it must be measured and the SRENGTH of the remaining part evaluated" I just wondered that before all this information is collected and understood, how could a decision to retain and manage the tree be made?
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[quote name=David Humphries;768340 Putting the potential basal issue aside' date=' I believe there would of been scope to manage this tree in this situation by reducing the sail volume and size. .[/quote] Interesting comment, how much of the sail volume and size do you estimate having to remove to achieve this David?
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It's not just basal decay thats the problem with trees this size though is it, I noticed on one of the pics looking down the tree yesterday that one of those monster scaffolds had quite a large diameter of decay at the branch/stem junction. Its difficult to get a true perspective on the size from pictures but I am guessing a scaffold limb that size is getting on for a Tonne in weight, not something one wants to see letting go when Mrs Smith walks past with her pushchair. Excellent work so far though Ross, very professional and by the book takedown despite the wall, which incidentaly does demonstrate what even a small pice of that leviathan can do when gravity takes over
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Sorry Ross, it was never my intention to turn you excellent post into a battle ground. It looks tough going given this wretched weather, good luck with it tomorrow, they have given a worse forcast, heavy rain and gales
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Groan, bow head, Shake head Halfwit!
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Tony The comments I make are in reference to your own ramblings on this forum, if you dont want people forming an opinion then dont post material that is damaging to your reputation. You instantly PooPoo my suggestions in post 38 as "RUBBISH" when it is a well known fact that Fagus Sylvatica has a very poor ability to tollerate wounding and you had just prescribed in post 33, hacking off a mutilating TWO THIRDS of its crown! And you want people to believe you are capable of realisticly assessing trees? You then post pictures of 4 very beautiful trees that have achieved Veteran age quite naturaly and are standing in forest and try to have us believe that they are the same as something you have just Mutilated! I could not agree more to the comments above, You are certainly full of it and I have also formed another opinion that you do not remember what you have said from one post to the next Get Real
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Looking good Clearly those are heavy scaffold limbs
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Tony There is every good reason, it is called SAFETY! In their natural environment, this type of tree is a beautiful asset but in the built up area........ I find it very unlikely, that in a case where injury or harm was caused, the preceding Judge would accept " Tony Croft said it was Ok " as mitigation. As mentioned in a previous post, realism as opposed to emotion, or, confusion is what will invariably be accepted No doubt your next outburst will be to pretend trees like these are safe in the urban environment Well, one only has to look at the picture of the beech Tree with 2 thirds of its crown decaying on the floor beside it to answer that
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Tony Lets for one moment suggest you had a Dog, he/she is 30 odd years old, has cancer, weeping pusseous wounds that need constant attention and gangerene in all four limbs. You call the vet who gives you options, the first option is an injection, allmost painless and the hound goes to sleep, forever. However there is another option, which is to prune, sorry, amputate all four limbs back to the torso, this option will allow the dog to live, allbeit for a couple more months I apologise for the use of such an unthinkable scenario but some of us believe, (safety aspects aside for a moment) that it is the same with trees, that they deserve just as much dignity and respect as any other lHiving creature. If you truly care about the tree, do you realy want to see a once magnificent specimen reduced by 30%, painted with a foul substance, gouged out, etc, etc Just how magnificent will the wretched tree look after it has been " Made Safe"
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I suppose everyone is entitled to their opinion Fortunately we have Professional Tree Inspectors that understand how trees need and use energy, their conclusions have to be based on experience and reality, rather than emotion as they are the ones that have to explain their actions when asked by a prosecuting counsel, or, a client when he is forking out for more expensive arboricultural work in 18 months time Yes, I agree, there are always options, however most of them are not much use to the unfortunate soul drawing his last breath trapped underneath two tonnes of rotten Fagus
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I think the most important thing to consider here is the poor ability of beech to tollerate heavy pruning, not to mention the trees age is certainly going to impede its ability to defend large or numerous wounds and would almost certainly lead to future hazards develping Due to the close proximity and the high target value, a tree inspector would have no option but to recommend a fell!
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How many teeth in a horses mouth? Answer P20, modern arboriculture by A Shigo Just replace the dank candlelit room for a modern day internet forum There are many more phyta pathogens just knocking on the door Chalara Fraxinea allready has its feet under the table If you are truly passionate then Direct your energy and work together to stop any more Start counting teeth
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The damage is too sparse and widespread to be amylostereum canker-rot. This looks more like the rooting system has become waterlogged, taxus like to have a free draining root. Has there been any change in fhe water level around the base of the tree? A blocked drain would do it!
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Polyporus squamosus - extensive white rot.
JonnyVine replied to David Humphries's topic in Tree health care
Interesting how geology changes mycological habit, Only ever see P. Squamosus on acer round here, last summer I condemed 3 large Sycamores that had extensive decay due to P. Squamosus, one could hardly see the trunk for fruiting. Brilliant pics Dave -
Bats are lovely crearures and a necessary part of the eco system, but unfortunately when any new post is created in conservation the Beards occupy them and take things too far, I can remember when seals became protected due to dwindling numbers, it almost became a criminal offence to look at a seal sideways. Every year arround June the Mackerel shoals turn up and fishing is on, however for the last five years the Mackerel season has become shorter and shorter, the ecologists are jumping up and down blaming global warming and setting up more groups to investigate and monitior at great expence. A child that Had not yet had his common sence educated out of him pointed out that every beach in Pembrokeshire was smothered in big fat grey seals to the extent that one can no longer see the sand and perhaps this might explain the missing mackerel, wisdom that cost only an ice cream! My point is conservation does not know when to stop
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Fun with fungi- guess the close up
JonnyVine replied to Tony Croft aka hamadryad's topic in Fungi Pictures
Interesting! However, one must be aware that no matter how conclusive facts and evidence may be, there will always be those that want to " poo poo ". These are usualy the ones that have hastily arrived at a conclusion but are unable to admit it! Good luck with the work Jonny -
Fun with fungi- guess the close up
JonnyVine replied to Tony Croft aka hamadryad's topic in Fungi Pictures
Naa, they'l love it, people with a clear passion for a subject that put pen to paper allways do well. -
Hi Gollum, would you be so kind as to take some more pics when you start to cut it up? One just above the butt would be nice
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Fun with fungi- guess the close up
JonnyVine replied to Tony Croft aka hamadryad's topic in Fungi Pictures
Why dosent Hamadryad write a book? Something more specific to our needs, I notice in another thread that he states that I.Dryadeus is not as much of threat as the schollars tell us, I have suspected this for many years but would never have had the balls to say it! -
Fun with fungi- guess the close up
JonnyVine replied to Tony Croft aka hamadryad's topic in Fungi Pictures
Another good book is " The Encyclopedia of Mushrooms " by Gerrit J. Keizer -
V.T.A symptoms "the chatty trees"
JonnyVine replied to Tony Croft aka hamadryad's topic in Tree health care
According to some, the rate of loss of veteran trees may be unsustainable! some of us quickly prescribe removing 30% of the live crown here and there and this ensures quite a number of the uglier members have a reasonable living. Why not just leave the bloody thing alone and put a barrier around it? Unfortunately say the lawyers, some people might not heed the warning! A whole saproxylic community can be wiped out in that 30% reduction, that sustain several other ecological communities. . -
V.T.A symptoms "the chatty trees"
JonnyVine replied to Tony Croft aka hamadryad's topic in Tree health care
Those ears are just large amounts of reaction wood laid down in response to a radial crack ( one ear ) or a diametrical crack ( two ears ), the fact that the ears are so big indicates that the crack has not fully occluded. -
If local trees are dead or dying from the efects of Ophiostoma Novo-Ulmi, then it is a safe bet that soon you will have no Elm trees left in that area, not only is the fungus spread by the Scolytus beetle, but also via the xylem vessels in the roots. One way of confirming a suspected infection is to cut an infected branch cross section and a ring of dark red to brown marking is evident in the wood, these are phenolic deposits that are formed in the xylem vessels and disrupt the transport of water and nutrients to the crown. The tree is dying from infection and dehydration and death can take between a month to two years depending on the strength of the individual tree Fungicidal injections have been used to try and control the infection but the application is very complex and can leave the tree open to seccondary infection by other pathogens Fell
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Don't forget to take it home and get it in the pan! Tasty
