Tony Croft aka hamadryad

I am attending the Hatfield Business centre one, really buzzing about too after missing the trip over to germany in the autumn, for anyone interested one subject to be added for coverage to planned schedule is retention of standing dead trees/trunks to resolve the conflicts over the 2 metre spec by paths debate

and olives?

Im not writing them off, rob, do not accuse me of having a narrow mind again, you have NO friggin idea, my mind is far far and away from closed:lol: Guy has a nack for rubbing, and he is rubbing as always:001_smile: I should not bite, but im sick, in fact, the best way is to say nothing your sooooo right rob its absurd, laters:lol:

Gerrit, dont Yews have endo?

I wont demonize US arboriculture, BUT I dont want to do it, nor want it in my face!

nice one!

Your getting as sarcastic as me! save your career! leave the gob.hite stuff to me, i dont care about the future!

I was wondering that myself!

and THATS why I will not entertain american arboriculture, For an older (veteran arb) you are very behind Guy, im sorry, but its true. We are all doing our bit, and learning our own way, what you do is your business, but to ignore basic arboriculture 101 that trees are dependant on macro and microfungi is, well its like putting a green book with gold text on the cover over your eyes and praying its all lies! even shigo acknowledged them! shame the US didnt pick up on it! there, said it direct.

I know what you mean David

thanks Jaime, I think i might turn up for this, right up my street.

And yet the U.K still thinks its leading! by their heels they will be brought to the table Gerrit, by their heels, screaming and shouting whilst dragged backward to the fungal table! you know my feelings on the whole subject.

I know and what Im trying to say in a clumsy way is that that leti would not have taken any more than it had access to, but the armillaria is a weakness parasite, so I would need to see a wiser view, the context to learn more from the interaction.

I dont, but repeated myself over and over is even more annoying! The fact is we arbs need to get scoped up to play these kind of diagnostic games, wether were looking at ganos, bleeds, mycorrhizea etc etc etc. otherwise its all opinion and speculation, and on that basis, its a question of whos opinion, ability/reliability & reputation you wanna take? no dont look at me, im shy!

and that is the long and short of it guy, whether you like it or not, and we have said it before:001_huh:

think about the logic behind your statement, laetiporus eats what? leaves behind what? the chicken would have been there first most likely, its part of the ecolgy of hawthorn habitats here in the u.k (neville fay mentions it in a paper somewhere) it has not interest in invading the cambium, or even the sapwood, its a heartwood rotter, only when T/R is approaching the limits do trees fail from laeti colonisation. the armillaria will have been a weakness parasite on a tree in decline and more rapid and complete in its colonising

almost a certainty:thumbup1:

white finger

probaly just moisture content similar at the time

brown and whit rot, mycelial ords of most likey a macro/lepiota species and black armillaria

excellent advise and post:thumbup1: treeseer, stick to U.S applications!

it is as they say, you gave a good dscription, new exactly what you meant, and boom there it is. sugar! yum yum

im up there 12 may, if ive got a chance I will pop in and have a look, pretty sure its australe though

take a small ore from the infected material and look for mycelia in the vessels my dear man, using a scope, of course. No ones tag teaming here, i answer to no one and have no affiliations, my opinions are my own, it just so happens that gerrits opinion is from a similar point of view, what YOU call fungicentric. I try to help, but you fail to hear me!

this is the revised "inclusional" version of that post, much improved with a little help from inclusionAL Pruning as a co-evolutionary process in the ecology of trees in the natural neighbourhood of human beings Trees are pruned - and prune themselves - naturally in many ways, both biotic and abiotic. Trees have depended upon and co-evolved with fungi throughout their life on Earth. As a group fungi are quick to attune to new circumstances and sources of energy, and have the capacity to breakdown ANY naturally occurring organic compounds, even petro-chemicals. But only some of them can digest particular compounds, such as phenolics and polymers, other than simple sugars and amino acids. It is therefore unreasonable to assume that fungal growth can be prevented anywhere as long as sufficient water, organic and mineral nutrients are available to support it. Correspondingly, although trees undoubtedly produce a variety of chemicals that protect and maintain their cellular structure and function, particular kinds of fungi are able to thrive in and contribute to the formation of habitats for themselves and other organisms that this production gives rise to. A wide variety of relationships between fungi and trees is therefore possible, and whilst some of these may at first glance may seem one-sided and detrimental to the tree, deeper ecological investigation reveals the truth to be much more subtle and difficult to evaluate in terms of simple 'cost-benefit' analysis. The evolutionary sustainability of any life form is precluded, not ensured, by the elimination of its habitat! Tree-inhabiting fungi should not therefore be thought of primarily as enemies of trees, intent on destroying them, but as companions of trees that ensure the growth, degeneration, decomposition and regeneration of trees in natural ecosystems, through a co-creative evolutionary process that Alan Rayner calls "Natural inclusion". It is when human beings intervene in these systems without deeply understanding them, that real damage can result. In many ways, it is human ignorance, not fungi, that should be regarded as the most serious pathogen of trees. Human beings need to understand themselves, trees and fungi as mutually dependent, co-creative companions in the evolutionary story of life on Earth, not as opponents.