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Posted this on the Buzz too ..... Michael Taylor of Trinity County in California just made available a new tree height measuring technique. The math is way beyond my ability. But thought some folks might like to see what he's been working on. LINK Taylor Triangle Technique for Measuring Trees At least today, if you scroll to the end of the equation, there is a link to download the Excel spreadsheet. Enable macros. Apparently, Taylor has had this on the mental back burner since like the 1990s.

If you know where the Chart Room restaurant is down Anchor Steam Way, there was driftwood deposited all over the parking lot and road there right up to the front door step. Not just it, but all over that area. The number of gawkers was amazing. We were driving down that road to eat. It was two days after the tsunami, and there a bunch of people driving their cars in there just to stare at the area. A steady stream of traffic.

I'd enjoy a compact Lumix with like 10 x or 12 x zoom. But I think I'd take a Canon G10, or G11 over that. Mainly because its handy to have more than one camera, and may as well have zoom of at least 20x. And for that, I'd be looking at a Canon SX30 IS. For an all-in-one only, Lumix is a pretty good choice. There is a fairly comparable small Canon, but the features vary.

The Tsunami hit all along the redwood coast the weekend I found this tree. I was roadblocked in at that park for almost an entire day. Which worked out because that's where I planned to hike. I was able to drive south for cell phone signal a couple of times and the police let me back in. Like half the boats and most of the harbor docks got decimated in Crescent City, CA. We at lunch there yesterday, and there were piles of driftwood and sea weed heaps right up to the doorstep of the restaurant.

Just found a new world record hemlock in Redwood National and State Parks. The details are here: Tallest Hemlock Discovery of 2011. I'll post a small photo here too.

It's the latest in hard hat technology. Debris deflects of the angled sides.

Presenting the biggest chainsaw in Stihl's product line. Oh ... yes ... and what I call a real "undocumented worker" - LOL.

Then why the question - LOL Didn't see you you dug it, so hard to say yeah or nay. Even if it defoliates, it might have a chance. I moved a 16' tall birch in July once because it was free and was going to get discarded the next day. In a 90 degree Farenheit area, and maybe just 28 inch wide root ball for the 3" diameter trunk. Lost 2/3 the leaves in the weeks ahead, but came back the next summer will full leaves.

For me, I tend to find that space is low on the agenda. Out here, there is so much effort to squeeze housing & reduce "urban sprawl", that what I call Urban Compaction is virtually worse.

Glad I read this post. Never realized that Monkey Puzzle wood was one of the better woodworking woods. I haven't cut down any bigger ones. But am sure to come across one or two in the future, because the neighborhoods are finally getting some age here, and those trees don't see to look too hot once they leave their youth in this area.

There are not many arborists who read articles comparable to content that would be in the American Journal of Botany. And the ISA bookstore isn't going to list that kind of writing either. The work that Sillett is involved with has infiltrated public knowledge and awareness though. All these National Geographic specials on TV, the magazine article, and lectures have slowly but surely made people more aware of some basics. And they work as a team. For example, Dawson works along with Sillett. And Dawson's work was briefly explained on National Geographic Explorer, how they are researching to understand where the redwoods get water, and that they can determine whether certain water was from the ground, or fog and rain. Its a small view into their work, but at least what they do is becoming known in bits and pieces. Their networking is not widely known. But Sillett lists a few collaborators on the university website for his department. One man from Japan whom they nickname "Rocky" (Hiroaki) comes over to climb with them and gather samples for his own research. Or Koch from an Arizona University. So I tend to view their work as a team effort behind the scenes, and not so much solo efforts. As far as "The Wild Trees" goes though ... It's a classic. It's in no way a research book. It's a story narrative told in a way I describe like an author telling the story around a campfire. The cover does say "story" on it, not biography. The Author's Note mentions that Preston is trying to reveal people and realms based on interviews. Although he may have stretched a few parts, considering the number of events and facts covered in the pages, I think he did a pretty good job writing.

One redwood mentioned in the book was El Viejo del Norte. Since the forum does some image resize, it may be hard to show. But here's a couple of pics of a zoom photo to the upper two thirds or so of the canopy. With the mist in that forest, its not often that this old branch structure is visible from the ground. The size of the woody stuff shown here is huge. Over a meter thick limbs: or closed-over stubs if you want to call them that. The longer one to the left with the fern mat probably is 7, 8 or 9 meters out there. This tree is about as gnarly as they come. I split the photo because the forum shrinks vertical shots a lot. And these two horizontal halves are the only way to stack the view. If it helps you understand what's here, the right side of these images is over the center of the main trunk. There is a small vertical slit of blue sky. That indicates where the huge reiterated extra stem is on this redwood, growing upward next to the main trunk. And all the broken, fused, twisted and grown-over formations on the left are on that extra giant stem. The researchers must have chuckled when they crown mapped this thing.

I was thinking along the same lines. Figured that over 100,000 years, this back-to-back drought or disaster thing has happened plenty of times. Reminds me of a show I saw the past month or two, about how one of the deserts - maybe the Sahara, forget the name - sort of becomes like a lake again, then goes back to barren again. Mankind's biggest problem is trying to spend money fighting climate change, when its super-slow and almost certain. And it would literally bankrupt all of us if we tried to preserve every lake, mountain, river and valley in the same condition perpetually. Our real problems may be avoiding fast climate change if its something we are causing and reverse. But the slow multi-millenium changes is probably something we need to adapt to.

Nice pics. The old silvery stump was pretty cool too. Certainly I'll suggest the coast redwoods. I've talked to quite a few forest enthusiasts who have seen both the Giant Sequoia and Coast Redwoods, and I come away with the comments that the Coast Redwoods, as a forest, are the more outstanding experience. Hard to compare though. And if someone traveled to the USA from overseas, the Giant Sequoia and Coast Redwood would almost have to become merged together in one trip, if the visitor was not sure they would return. The Olympic National Park is a unique forest experience too. Not sure if I'd travel overseas to see just that one alone, but definitely combined with Coast Redwood, Giant Sequoia, or, some British Columbia forest.

Got a note in reply from Robert Van Pelt, mentioning that he and someone else has measured this tree back around 1996. Said it is a champion at present. But also said he knows of some taller and wider ones. Bob said it's an Atlas Cedar, which makes sense in light of all the upright stems. He said the last measure for it was 100 feet tall and 16 feet and 8 inches circumference (with exclamation about the quality of soil). That's a big girth increase in a short span of time to reach 21 feet & 4 inches by 2011. And 7 feet height gain is decent for an old tree too. Anyhow, it seemed like someone had to have measured this tree before considering it is in plain view.

Wikipedia has a really nice photo of a Deodar Cedar from somewhere in Italy called Pedrego, Bergamo. File:Pedrengo cedro nel parco Frizzoni.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Nice full canopy.

Just measured the Deodar Cedar that I've put-off stopping at for a couple of years. I was curious what you folks have in the UK. You have a lot of years and history behind your area. Over here, I could not even find this tree species on the National Big Tree Registry, which was surprising actually. They are not rare. Surprised none are nominated. This one is 113 feet tall, 256 inch circumference, and crown 93 feet x 111 feet. 34.44 meters tall / 6.49 meters circumference and crown / 28 x 34 meter crown Little slightly remodeled house is about 1894 says the new property owner. They know zero about the tree, not even they type. Got any good Cedrus Photos to add in reply - let's see 'em

News coverage began last Sunday with most of a front newspaper page, plus two thirds of page 3A as well. Then other news outlets picked up on the story too. KGW NEWS - Claim - New World's Tallest Pine The shot of news coverage will help reinforce focus on how the area is managed.

This the tool that does the trick with trees over 350 feet. And just fine on the shorter ones too.

In a few years, a historical flood might actually be good for Redwood National Park if they have the upper slop and road erosion control thing under control. Because the water volume and flow speed could help flush the river faster. If you ever get in that area like Avenue of the Giants, there's spots like the "Eternal Tree" where a sign is posted showing the water level mark from the 1960s flood. The water volume was insanely great in the Eel and Klamath rivers. What's mind-boggling is not just how high it was, but that the height extended outward over fields and into forests on both sides.

Personally, I don't care for the way Google is displaying Google Local search results now either. Adds thumbnail photos in the search results. Pretty much happens for searches of anything that would have been a traditional yellow-pages heading. Its messy looking. Then add to that the directories mentioned in the OP. Although, I'm finding that directories and companies like Servicemagic and Superpages here are not ranking as high as they used to. In time, Google needs to clean this up. But I think there's some slipping cash to Google behind the scenes regarding advertising and stuff. The activity and changes I'm watching does not look like pure search results effort by Google. And when Google puts 3 sponsored ads across the top, that's too much. Down the right side seems the cleanest way to do it.

Seems that most of the cost was thrown on the tax payers. Fortunately that cultural wound is beginning to slide into the past now. It will take some years for the park to repair itself, but its amazing just how much beauty is left there. The Redwood Creek is still attractive and many visitor have no idea that it was different in the past. I had a chance to go upstream last year and learn a bit more about Redwood Creek from seeing how it changes where sediment has been eroded-away now, or where there is virtually no sediment. The water is deeper, bigger boulders peep here and there, and there are like natural swimming holes more abundant. In these photos, check out how thick the sediment is. On shot is a close up. The river is cutting downward. This will leave a new flat now. The other scene is farther up the river by another kilometer or so. See the difference? The wide photo is the same exact spot, but 5 frames stitched showing about 350 meters wide. One photo is man from Germany who came over in 2009 & 2010 to see the redwoods. This spot is Redwood creek several miles downstream from Tall Trees Grove and roughly what it looks like to about 2 miles upstream from that grove. Not bad looking. But will get better as years go by.

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Here is an article I posted yesterday. The thread was deleted due to a broken link. It may have been an intermittent link. Forest Magazine or Forest Service Employees Magazine, Jan/Feb. 2001. Seems as educational to read now as it would have been then. Here is again: Link: Troubled Giants Article 2001 If that does not work, here's the full text below. What comes to mind when or after reading this? What makes an impression? Note, works of the US government can't be copyrighted. So with the article starting "courtesy of the National Park Service, I'm taking that at face value as a government publication.