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Its not work, its a bonus for when you have already done your days work. 50 is pocket money for a favour.

Oh, he has worked it out!!

There is no right or wrong, its a discussion. I explained what my take on an hours work is, fits between 2 jobs and not effecting the space on the truck and all done including traveling/chatting/cup of tea in an hour. It sounds as though that is exactly the work that you are asking for. So now that is established you have had some offers. Intitially people thought it was an hours chipping. That is a totally different thing. But either way, you are asking for a favour, not offering to help someone out with a work opportunity. Theocus has said he could work something out, he didn't say he would drive over from tewksbury to do it for you. He works in worcester from time to time so might be able to help you out, try and be grateful.

I just went for a PP, eeh! You got a brew on bro?

Agreed, thats what why I explained my version of what constitutes an hours job.

In that case you should be asking what someone would charge you for this work. Take the cheapest price and say thanks. Its not that great of an opportunity is it, clearing up someone elses mess? What you have found then is that £50 is cost price, virtually free, and a favour if you can find someone to do it. This is what we have all been trying to explain. £50 is for when you chip a pile of rubbish from the garden next door to where you are working. This discussion is helping to explain the value of what we do.

Two years later? How do you find these old threads!

Thats what I was getting at earlier, except for the prossie bit.

I agree 6 hours was a bit steep. As most have said 2 hours is a usual minimum in this line of work to take into account the cost of the kit. You are asking for a favour and I hope you get it done. You are not doing anyone a favour, thats what I mean by grace, your "offer" is actually a request for help not an offer.

nah bro

Excuse me, I, almost, defended you earlier by explaining my thoughts on what constitutes a one hour job, where I said it can be done if it doesn't effect the real work of the day but that that would be hard to organise in advance. My comments about time and motion were based on what you said to TCD and I quote 6 hours?! Google 'time and motion' it will save you a fortune! Now thats barking at someone as if they are simple! Not to mention patronising! I thought you were out of line with that so I commented in my own way. Your trying to save your dad some money by asking others to do you a favour, now have some grace and you might get somewhere. We have all given good advice and an honest insight to the actuallities of running a business with your own very expensive kit. None of us have invested time and money in order to help someone else help his dad out. I'm really glad a tree surgeon of 10 years experience has told you what to do, sounds like your listening to him more than the collective years of experience you get here.

Very true, BUT, ISA rules usually incorporate work legislation for the area they are in. I say usually, often its CE and/or ANSI compliance they are looking for in which case this wouldn't be ok even in NZ. HAs it passed any NZ regulations for PPE?

But this wasn't in Europe so no worries bro sis!

Defiently being honest with me. Ah, sorry missed that post. Thats good then. Be honest back again and all should be fine.

After my previous ramblings, I think Skyhuck is right, if they are friends and it was just a friendly verbal quote then just tell them its going to be more. (begs the question, how is the tree down and the client injured?? Is there a link?? )

Or walk away, decide which option will leave you the worse off. Its better to lose the X amount you quoted than to cost you XXX amount to finish it. Also, if its for a friend, there is every possibility they knew exactly how much it should really cost before they asked you. (they may have had other quotes) Its happened to me before, and then you realise how much of a friend they really are. Doing jobs for freinds of my parents is often a nightmare!! The last one asked me to go ahead with some work without telling me about the TPO. Of course I check these things, but when I found out that he had recently been denied permission for the work (before asking me to quote for it) I was livid!! He was just chancing it to see if I was stupid enough. So, are you certain that these friends of the family are being honest with you?

And another thought about time and motion: Have the chipper on site while doing the work and get both aspects of the job done at the same time therefore requiring less motion!

I had another thought about what constitutes an hours, if you local, on your way past, kind of job. Scenario. You finish a "proper" job at 1pm and you have to be at the next proper job at/by 2pm. If there is a "favour" job you can do on the way to the second job that will not make you late then thats an hours work for £50. i.e. you were passing anyway and it didn't stop you making your second job on time. Running half an hour late from the first job would make it impossible to do the "favour job" and so you would have to go straight to the second "proper" job. So rather than this being an hours work for £50 its a favour for £50 to someone who happens to be ahead of schedule enough to fit it in. This is not taking into account though the amount of woodchip on the truck from the first job and the amount of space needed for the second. I try and organise jobs so that 2-3 jobs will fit into the truck at once, otherwise I have to factor in emptying between jobs which is a pain. So any favour that I did in the middle would have to not effect the ability to complete the real work. I think IRONJACK has much to learn about time and motion and google probably wont help. Its not us who needs to save a fortune, we need to make a living by not saving others money. I suppose womeone could do it oif they had completed their full days work an hour ealry and still had space in the truck, but then that is impossible to book in in advance and make a specific point in time to meet and do the work. I have friends askign me for favours all the time, and I say yes, one day, no worries. When they start saying when are you comeing then it becomes work and its no longer a favour. If they need an actual time then it needs quoting and agreeing at usual rates (2 hour minimum) and then it can be booked in.

If you want them to be good for climbing then I would forget about the steel toe caps, that way you are spoiled for choice in the fabric walking boot market and they will nearly all be better for climbing than a boot designed for safety. Of course if you are using them for work you might want something else to put on for ground work.

Arrived yesterday, thank you. Will try it out tomorrow.

Post a picture of the pile.......not that I'm interested, but it would be good to see what you think an hours work is.

We work on minimum 2 hour jobs, that becasue with small jobs you could do four in a day. If your job is an hour, then are saying somebody could easily do 8 of them in a day with a bit of traveling (2-3miles only say) between each one, including setting up, tidying up a quick chat with the customer (you in this case) and sufficient tea breaks and lunhc breaks? ( plus emptying the truck every time it gets full. ) IMO there is no such thing as a one hour job, unless the actuall working time is 10-15minutes. So we have a minimum charge of 2 hours for any small 1 hr job unless the job is literally going to take less than 20 minutes. So we are £120 minimum. But chipping up someone elses mess would be charged higher. My chippper is there to clear up my debris from my work, so for a days tree work at around 480.00 the chipper would probably only be running for an hour tops, so to go and to an hours chipping for someone and remove chips, well thats close to a days work, just with no climbing. If your actuall chipping takes an hour then that could fill someones truck, even if it only half fills it, they might not then be able to go to another job until its emptied so there is the time involved in emptying too before they can get on with the other 7 1 hour jobs they have to do.

front wheel drive and single back wheels, not good. Lots of bargain LDV convoys aroudn but if you want soemthing newer then transit.

Tony did you use the code number? I used it today no worries and it still works on the website. Its not regional its a national company and the discount was alllocated here for all of the UK. I have never got it by mention the ISA though, only by using the discount code. I spend more than a few hundred myself alone so I would think we would eet the grand and a half. I do have a policy of trying not to actually talk to any of the staff, they are gear nerds!!!!!!!!

From what I can understand Phillipa Allen won the ladies so well done to her. Then our good friend Johan came third in the mens masters and the winner was Giovanni Ugo. Looks as though Jon might have had a disaster in the throwline and was not in the masters!! Would liek to hear more if possible.. Judge?