RHI registered producers and suppliers

[Hodge]

I've just seen a thread on AT and there wanting £85 a tonne a roadside. Why does RHI make this so??

 

 

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[MarieJames]

Thats what I am trying to find out, my cousin told me a price for his cord and I thought wow that has to be the top of the market surely! So I made few calls to some land agent friends and they all confirmed 80-85 a ton was the figure that they would be aiming for post RHI compliance, they also explained to me that most large estates have had a tip that oil and gas prices are about to rocket due to the almost certain choking off of supply to the west of Russian oil and gas, some predict a huge spike in timber demand hence the preemptive price hike I guess...?

I am a little confused by it all tbh can Russian oil and gas have that much affect on timber price...?

[SamWhiting12]

Thats what I am trying to find out, my cousin told me a price for his cord and I thought wow that has to be the top of the market surely! So I made few calls to some land agent friends and they all confirmed 80-85 a ton was the figure that they would be aiming for post RHI compliance, they also explained to me that most large estates have had a tip that oil and gas prices are about to rocket due to the almost certain choking off of supply to the west of Russian oil and gas, some predict a huge spike in timber demand hence the preemptive price hike I guess...?

I am a little confused by it all tbh can Russian oil and gas have that much affect on timber price...?

 

I can only guess that with the lack of Russian oil, electric gas and oil will go up in price massively, and even more people will be fitting wood burners to save money on other bills, hence the price of wood sky rocketing.

 

Along with more demand for biomass for power stations.

[renewablejohn]

I may be a little bit green about the timber business but this RHI thing seems to be bad news for everyone!

Everyone I have spoken to says it will only jack the price of timber products higher and probably price many out of the industry :-(

I mean the price of timber surprises me tbh and I don't really understand why the government are poking there nose into the industry...? especially as by the sounds of things it will just make people's life harder with more senseless red tape!

What do you guys think...? As most of you will be the first victims I'd of thought.

Marie x

 

It will produce a 2 tier market. Woodlands certified as sustainable able to supply RHI and the power stations with very high prices due to supply and demand. Woodlands not certified will add to the timber from tree surgery to create an overall glut. I can still see a market for non sustainable hardwood but non sustainable softwood prices will fall though the floor.

[renewablejohn]

In the short term the biomass for power stations will be mainly from Canada as the majority of there woodlands are already certified as sustainable. In the long term Canada may be less of an option as the targets are reduced making the long distance transport costs prohibitive.

[MarieJames]

I can only guess that with the lack of Russian oil, electric gas and oil will go up in price massively, and even more people will be fitting wood burners to save money on other bills, hence the price of wood sky rocketing.

 

Along with more demand for biomass for power stations.

 

I guess that makes sense sounds like Russia is about to give the west a good kicking, is it not a really bad idea to bite the hand that feeds you...? Or am I just having a blonde moment lol x

[renewablejohn]

Very little to do with Russia its been coming for a while but the fine detail is only now being resolved.

 

Legal and sustainable forest source requirements for woodfuel — Central Point of Expertise on Timber Procurement (CPET)

[SamWhiting12]

I guess that makes sense sounds like Russia is about to give the west a good kicking, is it not a really bad idea to bite the hand that feeds you...? Or am I just having a blonde moment lol x

 

No I completely agree. In all the news over Russia, the UK hasn't really said much about/try to impose acts upon Russia probably for the sack of the oil. But unfortunately our big ally America has, and that will not help us.

 

Though a good thing to come of a oil shortage is hopefully more money will be put into renewables, so we can stand on our own 2 feet and not rely on other nations soo much.

[MarieJames]

It will produce a 2 tier market. Woodlands certified as sustainable able to supply RHI and the power stations with very high prices due to supply and demand. Woodlands not certified will add to the timber from tree surgery to create an overall glut. I can still see a market for non sustainable hardwood but non sustainable softwood prices will fall though the floor.

 

I agree the big company's will do well and the small guys will have to work even harder which seems a shame

I can understand the timber prices creeping up linked to costs and overheads providing that cost creep runs right from land owner throw me and down to the firewood merchant and eventually the end customer.

But the RHI system will surely just split the natural flow of business up by slapping regulations on hard working chaps ( I can hear my brother telling the gov to go screw themselves over it already)

Seems like too much pen pushing and far to little real trade if you ask me x

[MarieJames]

Very little to do with Russia its been coming for a while but the fine detail is only now being resolved.

 

Legal and sustainable forest source requirements for woodfuel — Central Point of Expertise on Timber Procurement (CPET)

 

It does seem to be two separate issues combining to drive the price higher

I feel both uneasy about the government overstretch and the effect it may have on the small independent guys

And I also think the Americans should engage brain before engaging in a manhood swinging contest with the Russians -.- especially if it costs me even more to fill up my little car ! Lol x