What effect would scottish independence have on the UK tree industry?

[Mr. Squirrel]

"Neglected" how??????, Scotland gets more government funding per dead than the rest of the UK:001_rolleyes:

 

Like may be the key word there. Apologies for the typo I cannot stand these tablet machines... talk of a referendum has been going on for years (or does it just feel like that?) and largely ignored. Though we have our own parliament, which is a big thing, it's easy to see how many may feel poorly represented when you look at the 2010 general election results. There was very, very little support of the Tories up here and yet that's who's calling the shots for us now? As I've said I'm really not very clued up on these political japes, but it's hardly surprising quite allot of people would be happy to break away from a government they never wanted in the first place. Short sighted view, perhaps, but it's the truth.

Another aspect of that is how so much of the counter arguments seem to be based on negativity. I've talked to a number of English people (largely very rich ones) simply angry that Scots would be so belligerent as to think we could possibly be better off without England. When you have people slapping on a label of stupidity, fools, idiots, dense headed jocks etc. it's hard not to think, 'well, s***w yous then'.

As I said before it might be more convincing were more 'no' campaigners arguments based on why we're brilliant together than how we're doomed on our own, a stance which will probably bring out the voice in people determined to prove the nay sayers wrong...

 

Something a 'yes' campaigner said to me the other week also rang kind of true. If it was the other way around, would you vote yes to be a part of the UK? I dunno, food for thought...

[woody3]

it will still be run by westminster regardless, as all sovereign states are

[Mr. Squirrel]

One thing that this discussion, and many others, have proved to me is that if you are voting with your head then you really have to vote no as no one can say exactly what a yes vote will entail. There's a lot of conjecture, and it seems from politicians on both sides, outright lies. But there are very few hard facts and, for me at least this means I am leaning towards a no vote.

That said I fully understand that in an election for independence that voting with your heart may be the only way you can go, facts aren't always the most important thing.

 

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Yep, that's pretty much the long and short of it. At the end of the day we can somewhat accurately assume where the UK is headed but it's all just hopes, dreams, assumptions, promises and lies as to what will happen in the event of an independent Scotland...

[woody3]

Like may be the key word there. Apologies for the typo I cannot stand these tablet machines... talk of a referendum has been going on for years (or does it just feel like that?) and largely ignored. Though we have our own parliament, which is a big thing, it's easy to see how many may feel poorly represented when you look at the 2010 general election results. There was very, very little support of the Tories up here and yet that's who's calling the shots for us now? As I've said I'm really not very clued up on these political japes, but it's hardly surprising quite allot of people would be happy to break away from a government they never wanted in the first place. Short sighted view, perhaps, but it's the truth.

Another aspect of that is how so much of the counter arguments seem to be based on negativity. I've talked to a number of English people (largely very rich ones) simply angry that Scots would be so belligerent as to think we could possibly be better off without England. When you have people slapping on a label of stupidity, fools, idiots, dense headed jocks etc. it's hard not to think, 'well, s***w yous then'.

As I said before it might be more convincing were more 'no' campaigners arguments based on why we're brilliant together than how we're doomed on our own, a stance which will probably bring out the voice in people determined to prove the nay sayers wrong...

 

Something a 'yes' campaigner said to me the other week also rang kind of true. If it was the other way around, would you vote yes to be a part of the UK? I dunno, food for thought...

 

simple scotland is £1100 per head of population better off, thats a hell of money to find,

 

the only way i can see to raise this money is to tax workers more

[RichardT]

"Scottish are generally socialist."

 

That's not really the case though, the most one could say is that there's a stronger social democratic thread in Scottish political culture.

 

Were Salmond - a wily observer of the electorate, whatever else he might be - confident of the socialist instincts of the electorate, he wouldn't have overseen the production of a 650 page independence manifesto that essentially aims to reassure by reference to a fundamentally conservative model of monetary stability, fiscal prudence, etc.

 

The independence prospectus tries to argue that everything will change, and at the same time everything will be essentially the same. It's an impossible circle to square, or to put it another way a cynical con trick.

 

Hence the absurd attempts to maintain, against all the evidence and any rational analysis, that the entire UK political and economic establishment is 'bluffing' and that a nice, safe currency union is still on the cards.

[woodrich]

Does anyone know much about the politicians you will be voting for after independence?

 

Do they seem an honest bunch with Scotland and it's people at their heart?

Or, will you get some that are only out for themselves?

 

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[slasherscot]

"Neglected" how??????, Scotland gets more government funding per dead than the rest of the UK:001_rolleyes:

 

yes we do get more funding per head, but we give more taxes per head than the rest of UK. £11079 against £9342 in England wales and NI

[woody3]

yes we do get more funding per head, but we give more taxes per head than the rest of UK. £11079 against £9342 in England wales and NI

 

 

who made them figures up?

[slasherscot]

who made them figures up?

 

 

 

the treasury

[woody3]

the treasury

 

link?

 

i was looking at the latest ONS figures which seem very different?