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[Lee Winger]

It isn't that sharp here in Suffolk Quickthorn..

[David Irwin]

Is anyone else here based in Lincolnshire? What are rates for ground work, and turning up with saws and a chipper? Is that self employed or employee?

 

Just about the only bloke i work for round here only pays £8 / hour for stuff like felling, scrub clearance, and that's with me supplying my saw and fuelling it. He'll pay £150 / day for me and my chipper, but that seems low based on what people were saying on another thread. I'm told that's the going rate round here, and that wages are low in Lincs across the board, but, after reading some of these threads, I'm starting to wonder if that is true, or whether someone's taking the p1ss!

 

Self emloyed (contractor) or Empoyee

This area is sometimes gray and not black or white.

Offten people do not understand there position and arguments about the employment happen after a bad accident.

I do not know the situation in the UK , have you thought about asking the tax office or your employer?

That may be a place to start.

This is my understanding of the things used to identify employee or Contractor.

Self empoyed - works for many more than one employer, usually quotes , not offten works for hourly rate, pays own tax, collects tax VAT, Has business number, has own workers and third party insurance

Emloyed- works for only limited employers, works for hourly rate, employer pays his tax, employer covers his workers compensation and third party insurance, employer pays super annuation for him.

People often become companys as a way of advoiding and limiting liability.

The cofusion as to weather self employed or employed is some times used by greedy people rip off the less informed.

The gap between the haves and the have nots is ever widening , the union is broken, "guest workers under mine wages and conditions"

A scab said to me once "what has ethics got to do with making money?"

[skyhuck]

The TAX man and HSE take very different views on this. often subbies are classed as employed from a H&S point of view.

[munkymadman]

even though i'm self employed i've been told i'm covered under the companies insurance

[David Irwin]

even though i'm self employed i've been told i'm covered under the companies insurance

 

Hey munky hows things in lovely Queensland?

I was there 17 years ago what a place.

I was just thinking it ma be a idea to get that in writing , that is that you are covered for insurance by the company.

If they question you for asking , tell them you want to be pro active and that you were advised it was a prudent thing to do.

Here are some of the replys you will receive-

Yes sure I will give it to you right now.

Yes but Iam busy right now I will get it to you soon, and gess what? it never comes.

No I was wrong, or I never said that!

I hope the first answer is the one you get.

See you Munky

[David Irwin]

The TAX man and HSE take very different views on this. often subbies are classed as employed from a H&S point of view.

 

Home owners and employers must ensure that contractors have the competency and equipment to carry out tree felling, lopping and pruning safely. Any person who employs another for such work becomes the principle contractor under section 19.4 of the Occupational Safety and Health Act 1984, and must ensure that they are not exposed to hazards in the workplace.

This is the way it is in Western Australia.

[Andy Collins]

even though i'm self employed i've been told i'm covered under the companies insurance

 

I know of companies (UK) that have said S/E are covered on the company policy too, but as s/e its your own responsibility to ensure that you are insured. The company has to have Employers Liability, but whether their insurer will cover a subbie for public liability when it comes to the crunch, I shouldnt like to guess.

having your own PL also shows the taxman that you are genuinely accepting the risks for your work. They like to see that!

[Andy Collins]

As s/e in the UK:

you have no right to holiday pay

you have no right to sick pay

you cannot work for one employer, if so you should be on the books

you should have your own Public Liability Insurance

you need an accident/sickness plan (advisory)

you are free to advertise your services

you are not allowed to pass yourself off as an employee of a company (tricky one as companies wont appreciate you telling the client you are s/e)

you accept the risks for the job (losses, damage etc)

you are free to find work elsewhere, not tied to one company (again in my experience, companies dont like this)

you do not have any of the rights that are enjoyed by an employee.

you should supply all the equipment necessary to carry out the job you are contracted to do.

 

Apart from all the above reasons, the benefits of being s/e can out-weigh being employed.

[treediver]

As s/e in the UK:

you have no right to holiday pay

you have no right to sick pay

you cannot work for one employer, if so you should be on the books

you should have your own Public Liability Insurance

you need an accident/sickness plan (advisory)

you are free to advertise your services

you are not allowed to pass yourself off as an employee of a company (tricky one as companies wont appreciate you telling the client you are s/e)

you accept the risks for the job (losses, damage etc)

you are free to find work elsewhere, not tied to one company (again in my experience, companies dont like this)

you do not have any of the rights that are enjoyed by an employee.

you should supply all the equipment necessary to carry out the job you are contracted to do.

 

Apart from all the above reasons, the benefits of being s/e can out-weigh being employed.

 

Id agree with all that and thought id put some plus notes.

apart from..

You should have employers liability insurance when you undertake your own work and have people working with you.

 

• you are your own boss, and have control over your daily workload

 

• the opportunity to use the skills you possess at the same time as doing what you enjoy

 

• the sense of achievement and personal fulfilment of running your own business

 

• working hours that suit you

 

• your level of achievement cannot be controlled by anyone else

 

• no one day is ever the same - you’re not involved in just one area of the company: you’re involved in all

 

• all profits generated go to you

 

• complete recognition for your achievements and successes

 

• you are in control of your destiny

 

BTW i ripped that from some site but it seemed too good to waste..

[skyhuck]

Id agree with all that and thought id put some plus notes.

apart from..

You should have employers liability insurance when you undertake your own work and have people working with you.

 

• you are your own boss, and have control over your daily workload

 

• the opportunity to use the skills you possess at the same time as doing what you enjoy

 

• the sense of achievement and personal fulfilment of running your own business

 

• working hours that suit you

 

• your level of achievement cannot be controlled by anyone else

 

• no one day is ever the same - you’re not involved in just one area of the company: you’re involved in all

 

• all profits generated go to you

 

• complete recognition for your achievements and successes

 

• you are in control of your destiny

 

BTW i ripped that from some site but it seemed too good to waste..

 

sounds ideal, but often the reality is less so!