Q. cerris?

[agg221]

Large tree which fell over in one of the recent storms. The remaining butt is about 4' across, 15' to the first spring, 25' overall. The owner thinks it's Q. cerris, but the leaves don't look like the cerris I'm familiar with. No acorns around and the leaves are a bit dessicated now, but below is the best photo I can get of it. Trying to work out which species to determine whether it's worth milling or not so any thoughts welcome.

 

Cheers

 

Alec

[welwell]

A picture of the bark would be handy Q. ceris has very distinctive bark.

[woodyguy]

Q.Cerris is much more sharply lobed leaves than this. I grow a lot of it and this isn't one but.. not sure what it actually is.

[tresrgr8]

I wouldn't dismiss Q.cerris completely out of hand, the leaves can be quite variable depending on different factors. One of the most distinctive features is long hairs on the buds?

[woodyguy]

As you say, not impossible. The growth habit of a big Cerris is very distinctive being very very upright (not fastigate) but a strong leader and making a lot of height compared to sessile oak.

[agg221]

Unfortunately most of the visible cues have gone for this one - it being a large log lying next to a pile of brash, with the firewood removed.

 

However, the buds are covered in long hairs, so cerris is looking likely. Pictures of the bark below.

 

Alec

[openspaceman]

Large tree which fell over in one of the recent storms. The remaining butt is about 4' across, 15' to the first spring, 25' overall. The owner thinks it's Q. cerris, but the leaves don't look like the cerris I'm familiar with. No acorns around and the leaves are a bit dessicated now, but below is the best photo I can get of it. Trying to work out which species to determine whether it's worth milling or not so any thoughts welcome.

 

Cheers

 

Alec

 

Cerris has hair like appendages around the bud.

 

Could it be a hybrid, Turners or Lucombe, Lucombe leaves are semi evergreen and look similar, it's a hybrid between Turkey and Cork oak.

[tresrgr8]

Lucombe wouldn't be out of the question, Turners is pretty rare. From what I understand lucombe only has hairs on the terminal bud not side buds? The lobes also have wiskered tips? It's most likely a cerris hybrid.

[welwell]

that doesn't look like Q. ceris bark to me.

[TreeSwingerSam]

It's not a Q Cerris, there is very distinctive red fissures in the bark on a Turkey oak, I agree that it's probably a hybrid between the Sessile and Cerris :-)

 

 

Growing old disgracefully :-)