Employment costs

[Brett]

..........and don't forget you have to replace / fix all the things they break.

[doobin]

Across the channel, the rule of thumb is this.

If you pay a guy 10euros (just above the minimum wage)

You need to charge him out at 30euros.

90% of the salary is paid to the government in National insurance (French version of and pension included)

Then you've monthly admin, employee insurance, daily restaurant (we all eat in one, it is france after all), PPE, holiday, SICKNESS, breakages cos you can only afford a F'Kwit...

THEN...legal fees getting rid of the lazy swine when he sues you for making him work in the rain and cold (gainst me 'uman roights...)

Ty[/quote

 

Jesus, that bad?

 

Don't you work with a business partner? If so I'm guessing that's why!

[Ty Korrigan]

Morning,

Yes, I work with a partner BUT that just means you can't tell him what to do as he is French...

The other guys I employ are all self employed in their own right but the government is trying to put a stop to that too.

France is complicated in all things and you'd be 4 stops short of West Ham to think about coming here looking for 'The French Dream'

Ty

[Paul Jenks]

Supreme Court rules that subcontractors can be employees - NatWest Mentor

 

This'll give some folk food for thought regarding sub-contract labour.

 

If you're using a labour only sub-contractor, or one who has just a few tools, I would suggest the price differential between what they charge as their daily rate and what they would be paid as a full time employee would be broadly similar. Obviously, this would be their gross pay, i.e. before tax.

Unless written into their contract sick pay and SSP are all at statutory limits and are reclaimed from HMRC.

There is more paperwork with FTE, though the upside is building a team that works with you not just for you.

It's not an easy journey. There are a few challenges so you need to get your head into the right mindset to employ. Make sure you have a good contract of employment, job description, and handbook. These shouldn't be the same documents as they are all subject to change. Get yourself a good HR consultant to write your stuff and then read it thoroughly so you understand it. Legislation puts lots of draconian clauses in contracts, which I stripped out as it sent the wrong messages. There is a lot of legislation to protect employees and unless the employer has very robust systems for capturing data and monitoring behaviour, health and performance, the employee is always right at tribunal.

On the flip side, with good systems, everybody knows where they stand and can get on with working together to produce good work and happy customers.

[likeitorlumpit]

Good old mentor

How are you finding them Paul

They reduced their price to £56 a month after I complained they cost too much as all we got was monthly e mail updates after spending about 80 hours getting in shape- risk assessments on all tools/sites etc.

I thought this was a too ready cave in and cancelled the agreement.

Are you still with them?

[Paul Jenks]

I've never used Nat West mentoring. I used to bank with them until they annoyed me. I just did a little search and what the link said seemed to cover a lot of what I wanted to say.

I'd never use someone from a bank as a mentor, business advisor or consultant. They have a warped and disconnected sense of what passes for good business practice and are only interested in their bottom line.

For the record £56per month is far too little for a mentor. Most of the stuff anyone gets for that amount has to be generic and so is down to the business owner to interpret and act upon. Bank 'mentors' are rarely from real businesses and have doubtful entrepreneurial credentials. As such they don't have any idea of the risks one takes in business strategy. They cannot comprehend the drive of entrepreneurs and so revert to their formulas. We, however, rarely fit formulas, thus there is an incompatibility of views.

My mentor helps me work on my leadership skills. This helps me to guide and mentor my team. They are the future of the business.

I only ever talk to bankers by accident at networking events and they rarely engage for long.