friction saver

[Peter]

Not far from me then, I live in old Berkshire, now Oxfordshire.

 

 

I've know over a dozen ropeguide users, not one of them was dissapointed with it, and most universally agreed its the best piece of gear they own period.

 

Only thing I don't like, is its to nice a bit of kit to be free dropping it on retrieval on tarmac (not advised either). And throwline retrieval is a bit of a pain.

 

Have you tried the doublesnapper?

[Marc]

Have you tried the doublesnapper?

 

No been try to get my head round how that works, does it need a throw line still?

[BrendonV]

No been try to get my head round how that works, does it need a throw line still?

 

http://climb-art.com/download/doublesnapper/doublesnapper_sequence.pdf

[Jack-Arb aka Tiago Sinclair-Julio.]

I use a similar set-up, it works good but like peter says not as good as a rope guide.

 

I'd use the petzl pulley on the cambium saver, and use the ISC pulley for your hitch that way you can tie one end of your friction cord on to the tab which is load rated on the ISC pulley for this purpose, works really good with a VT.

 

Hi Marc,

Could you possibly put a picture of how you set up the system, I've try it but it didn't seem as usefull as I've seen climbers using it. Does the rope pass through the harness ring? And the is the pulley with the three holes connected to a stactic prusik so it pushes the VT knot each time you pull the rope???

If you could show me in a clear pic, with be of much use to me.

 

Thanks

 

Jack

[Marc]

Hi Marc,

Could you possibly put a picture of how you set up the system, I've try it but it didn't seem as usefull as I've seen climbers using it. Does the rope pass through the harness ring? And the is the pulley with the three holes connected to a stactic prusik so it pushes the VT knot each time you pull the rope???

If you could show me in a clear pic, with be of much use to me.

 

Thanks

 

Jack

 

I don't have my kit on me, i'll take a pic on Monday. I don't use this set-up any more as I have a hitchclimber.

 

I think your maybe mis-understanding what i'm trying to explain, the set-up is exactly the same as a normal basket type hitch like a VT. Except that one end of the eye to eye hitch cord is tied to the tab that forms the bridge between the side plates of a Petzl fixe or similar ISC pulley.

The advantage of this set-up is a less crowded biner, as you will only have one end of your basket hitch tied to the biner, its also possible to place the other end of the hitch cord between the space of the pulley plates. This means you will be loading the biner at its strongest point the spine.

 

From memory it did tend a little better, and did'nt bind so tight, and was similar in feel to a helical hitch, just easier to tie/untie.

[Peter]

Hi Marc,

Could you possibly put a picture of how you set up the system, I've try it but it didn't seem as usefull as I've seen climbers using it. Does the rope pass through the harness ring? And the is the pulley with the three holes connected to a stactic prusik so it pushes the VT knot each time you pull the rope???

If you could show me in a clear pic, with be of much use to me.

 

Thanks

 

Jack

 

Your thinking of this http://www.treebuzz.com/forum/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=92484&an=0&page=1#92484

[Marc]

Ahh now I get it, thats totally different to what I was describing.

I've tried the system described on treebuzz and did'nt see that big of an advantage, instead I have a small sling that I girth hitch to my biner, then clip onto my bridge, I then release my hitchclimber, the sling acts as an extension making it a little easier to body thrust.

 

When redirecting down a crotch, or limb walking a limb that drops down, i'll use a small prussik and DMM revolver, i'll attach this to my line above my hitch (before descending!) you may need another small biner to keep the tail of your rope in reach. You end up using a lot of rope as its a pulley system doubling your line, but it gives a good advantage for pulling yourself back in from difficult to reach parts of the canopy.

 

i'll try to get pics.

[telhol]

Used a cambium saver today with my hitch climber but i used a icicle hitch with one wrap and it was excellent very impressed im now pulling above the hitch then tending the slack an its so much quicker. dont reccommend using a pulley with a cambium saver you need a little bit of friction to help hold your self while you slack tend the pulley makes this alot harder to hold your weight.

[John Shutler]

your weight can easily be held whist using a pully, its all about method

[telhol]

Well maybe i dont like it you entire weight has to be held and after along climb your energy is low and it becomes very hard.

 

But hey the icicle really pisses over the vt i been going between the to latley with different cord ropes etc icicle has my trust minimal slip lots of grip much easier to ascend desend with icicle imo.