Loler query

[Steve Bullman]

I had a discussion with a colleague today regarding loler. He recently put a member of his staff through a climbing assessment. For the assessment he purchased a whole new rigging kit, rope, capstan, krabs, slings, the works, all brand new. He was then told all the gear had to be loler inspected. Now i was under the impression Gear had to be checked after 6 months, and that new gear didnt require loler testing. Can someone confirm this please

[Steve Bullman]

im not sure but i know all the kit came from treeworker, so i would have to say yes

[skyhuck]

the inspection is for wear and damage so new gear does not need inspecting

[bob]

loler states that you should inspect all your kit daily before use and recorded weekly and inspected within a 6 month period by an independant assessor so was he told it needed inspecting OR inspecting by a qualified inspector as there is a difference

[Steve Bullman]

he had to pay for a loler inspection

[RPA]

My understanding is that it is 6 monthly for climbing kit after purchase and 12 for lowering.

 

Any new kit I buy I get checked when the rest of my kit is due, so it might be a couple of weeks or nearly 6 months for my climbing stuff depending on when it was purchased.

 

The lad who did his climbing assesment at the same time as me had just baught a load of new kit, the assesor was happy with this (he had his reciepts) and did not require a loler inspection to be carried out (just daily checks etc).

 

Bill the assesment centre for the loler inspection

[TimR]

climbing assessment.

For the assessment he purchased a whole new rigging kit, rope, capstan, krabs, slings, the works, all brand new.

 

did he by just lowering kit ?

as stated by edenarb

lowering kit every 12months and as again im sure has been stated as long as when purchased they should have recieved a certificate of conformity(usually within the receipt) and that covers the first initial period of testing requirements and as mentioned .BUT it would have had to be all LOLER'ed marked with id tags so that a written record of daily checks could be carried out ...

[Topcat]

We recently had a HSE inspector call and this was a sore point we touched on. His view was that as long as we could show that our kit was checked on a regular basis everything was ok. 1 climber can check and sign off another climbers kit. As for shared lowering kit another firm can check your kit. You do dot have to go through a Loler inspector and pay, that is just one option. Any competent person checking meets the current guidelines.

[skyhuck]

I had a discussion with the HSE at the APF and if they inspect you and can find no fault in your gear theres nothing they can do,I'm talking about self employed climbers here not employees or even subys as there you have a duty of care to both,same goes for climbing groundie, if its your firm and your job and your climbing they won't prosecute you if you have no rescue guy or so they told me,i do get my gear loler certificated,for the sake of my insurance etc,but do sometimes think the money would be better spent on new kit,id like to see figures on accidents caused by defective gear before loler came in?.

[High Scale]

I had a discussion with the HSE at the APF and if they inspect you and can find no fault in your gear theres nothing they can do,I'm talking about self employed climbers here not employees or even subys as there you have a duty of care to both,same goes for climbing groundie, if its your firm and your job and your climbing they won't prosecute you if you have no rescue guy or so they told me,i do get my gear loler certificated,for the sake of my insurance etc,but do sometimes think the money would be better spent on new kit,id like to see figures on accidents caused by defective gear before loler came in?.

 

 

Now that's a good point about defective gear accidents, before and after LOLER checks came in. But I think that is what LOLER is about, records of equipment use, before LOLER there were no equipment records apart from maybe receipt of sale but that wouldn't really tell you much anyway.

 

I droned on about this very subject on another forum, I questioned defective kit causing accidents, instead I steered the blame towards bad pricing of work, inexperience of employees made to carry out that work and also, probably the most obvious, good old human error.

 

Now, please shoot me down.