NPTC requirement for crosscutting with 25"

[openspaceman]

I was assessed in the 90s for felling large trees so I've not been concerned with what the current requirements are but I have a lad that has been assessed to fell up to 15" who wants to use my 25" saw to reduce some stumps prior to stump grinding. What tickets should he hold for this?

[loujj]

im pretty sure hes allowed to use it with your supervision, but if your un sure just use the 15"?

[loujj]

thats me presuming the stumps are 25"-30" by the way

[openspaceman]

im pretty sure hes allowed to use it with your supervision, but if your un sure just use the 15"?

 

No I'll not be there and he must be in compliance for this customer

[loujj]

well the cainsaw and crosscutting ticket (cs30) has no specifications to what size of saw your legally allowed to use after the course? the felling courses are different but for crosscutting theres no specific sizes to what you can cut

[Chris Sheppard]

I'd interpret the restriction as to be tree diameter for felling and that he would be OK - I know there's no mention on my CS30 about bar length or tree size, just on 31, though they are 10 years old now so it may be different.

[AA Teccie (Paul)]

I'd interpret the restriction as to be tree diameter for felling and that he would be OK - I know there's no mention on my CS30 about bar length or tree size, just on 31, though they are 10 years old now so it may be different.

 

Exactly, it relates to the tree diameter, i.e. upto 380mm (approx. 15"), not the size of the saw, or rather the length of the bar.

 

Paul

 

PS 10 yrs old, have you done any refresher training? If you work on 'FC / forest industries' land it is now mandatory (contractually I guess) to have refresher training. If you're 'ARB' I would suggest up-skilling to CS32 (as was) now felling trees greater than 380mm...just a thought!

[Chris Sheppard]

Exactly, it relates to the tree diameter, i.e. upto 380mm (approx. 15"), not the size of the saw, or rather the length of the bar.

 

Paul

 

PS 10 yrs old, have you done any refresher training? If you work on 'FC / forest industries' land it is now mandatory (contractually I guess) to have refresher training. If you're 'ARB' I would suggest up-skilling to CS32 (as was) now felling trees greater than 380mm...just a thought!

 

What I was meaning was that as he wouldn't be felling it, surely it matters not what size tree/bar/saw it is?

 

Regarding refreshers, No, I've not done any refresher training. As yet no organisation has had any problem with the date on my certificates when presented either, including FC (though to be fair we've not been on FC land for a year or so and generally don't)

 

What amuses me somewhat is a 15" diameter tree could just as easily harm someone as a 16" diameter or bigger tree - it's all a bit silly really IMO.

 

Especially when you consider how varied a tree can be - we're currently thinning overstood Ash pushing 100' tall but more are sub 15" DBH than are over it - not a place for someone fresh out of a CS31 course even if they were on paper deemed competant to be dealing with timber of those diameters.

 

Were it to become mandatory across the board for refresher training, then perhaps something might be done about the costs of it?

 

Surely it's obvious within a few minutes of watching someone work whether or not they are competant in what they do regardless of how many certificates they may or may not have?

 

Sorry if it seems a bit ranty Paul - think it's just pushed the right (wrong?) button.

[AA Teccie (Paul)]

What I was meaning was that as he wouldn't be felling it, surely it matters not what size tree/bar/saw it is?

 

Regarding refreshers, No, I've not done any refresher training. As yet no organisation has had any problem with the date on my certificates when presented either, including FC (though to be fair we've not been on FC land for a year or so and generally don't)

 

What amuses me somewhat is a 15" diameter tree could just as easily harm someone as a 16" diameter or bigger tree - it's all a bit silly really IMO.

 

Especially when you consider how varied a tree can be - we're currently thinning overstood Ash pushing 100' tall but more are sub 15" DBH than are over it - not a place for someone fresh out of a CS31 course even if they were on paper deemed competant to be dealing with timber of those diameters.

 

Were it to become mandatory across the board for refresher training, then perhaps something might be done about the costs of it?

 

Surely it's obvious within a few minutes of watching someone work whether or not they are competant in what they do regardless of how many certificates they may or may not have?

 

Sorry if it seems a bit ranty Paul - think it's just pushed the right (wrong?) button.

 

No apology needed, not at all, Refresher training, and benefits of, altho I have heard many who have done it (with the 'right' training provider) say it was actually useful. AND, if as part of that process, you can pick up another 'qualification', i.e. CS32 (as was), then it can be worthwhile.

 

I wholly agree, competence is workplace / industry based and not the training ground.

 

Enjoy yer weekend...sory if I've put an edge on it

 

Cheers..

Paul

[Stubby]

well the cainsaw and crosscutting ticket (cs30) has no specifications to what size of saw your legally allowed to use after the course? the felling courses are different but for crosscutting theres no specific sizes to what you can cut

 

I expect you are right but I do recall , all that time ago ,that when I turned up with an 18" bar on a 272 he made me change it for a 15" .