Aerial rescue in a REAL emergency

[Mesterh]

But has he nicked the line in the event of the accident? You dont know, and cant see.

 

True.

If you could tell it was OK what else could stop you using his line?

I suppose it may scare them more if in shock but if unconsious?

 

 

I guess its spikes on and ladders out.

 

The second line is a very good idea but I have never seen it done, and tbh I know that I wouldnt bother with it myself.

[Stephen Blair]

True.

If you could tell it was OK what else could stop you using his line?

I suppose it may scare them more if in shock but if unconsious?

 

 

I guess its spikes on and ladders out.

 

The second line is a very good idea but I have never seen it done, and tbh I know that I wouldnt bother with it myself.

 

i think daves idea of having a spare throw line set up and sitting in a chalk bag on the floor is the business, if it is easy to do then it will be done more i think:001_smile:

[Andy Collins]

Another issue I'd have, is that in the haste of emergency, a less experienced person is more likely to become a 2nd victim, compounding the problem.

So how often would you practise rescues? Do you keep a written list of Emergency Procedures, discussed on arrival on site? Do you designate the rescuer, the 1st Aider? Or do you just hope that it'll come together if needed, but oh bugger the 1st Aider is on holiday, the mobile signal is suddenly crap in the area, and someone left the rescue kit under the workbench today.

[educated arborist]

short of conifers & little trees I allways have a seperate line up the tree even if i don't use it to access the tree is it really so taxing??????????? 5minutes on each job & it soon becomes habit! It also allows you to retrieve stuck rope guides & cambium savers should they get stuck or take the guide out 1st & use a static system to desend tree on rescue line

Tell you what every1 on this post try it out for three weeks & if you still can't stand it then suit yourselves but i bet that for most it would become habit on any tree which warrents it?

[Mike Hill]

Thankfully I have never had to rescue someone from a Tree.

 

I like the idea of a second rope over the installed throw line.Having the rope pre installed means there is no chance of the throwline coming off the end of a rope in an installation attempt.For me,tying a few half hitches in the cold is bad enough,cold,tired,and in a hurry would mean an even greater chance of losing the Rope off the throwline.

 

Not having a go at Monkeyd,just my thoughts on it.

[educated arborist]

rescue practiced every 3 months or sooner & singed records kept, every1 is a1st aider, risk assesment has a box for the nearest land available line which MUST be filled in & will sometimes be a phone box number but is usually the clients, every one on site writes in their mobile no if theyve got it with them, grid ref's of site & suitable meeting point if rural & of helicopter landing spot if available and a spare kit & spikes go on all jobs regardless of the climb needing spikes as spiking can be the quickest way to a casualty on some trees & if its serious enough for a rescue then a live tree will just have to suffer i'm afraid

[David Humphries]

Thankfully I have never had to rescue someone from a Tree.

 

I like the idea of a second rope over the installed throw line.Having the rope pre installed means there is no chance of the throwline coming off the end of a rope in an installation attempt.For me,tying a few half hitches in the cold is bad enough,cold,tired,and in a hurry would mean an even greater chance of losing the Rope off the throwline.

 

Not having a go at Monkeyd,just my thoughts on it.

 

 

 

Fair point Mike.

 

Most but not all our ropes have spliced eyes, which will make it less risky to attach.

 

 

Been trialing it with all the climbers for the last week or so.

 

Keeping it simple should make it become habitual.

But the line can get in the way of dropped or lowered brush

Guess that's really about pre planning routes etc.

 

Will swap over to spare rope in a week or two to gauge the difference.

 

.

[educated arborist]

There's another thread running un soft links on steel core flip lines at the mo and as the thread went on a lad said he'd sussed it ages ago but this is what i often come accross in inspections:

i only climb with a wire core, i use a distel with pulley, job done.

 

is youre flip line spliced at both ends? if so what would hapen when you cut the distel when youre strop is ajusted to full/nearly full length?

oh dear

were back to square 1:scared1:

if it is spliced at both ends then cut the tail end off & use insulating tape to seal, then use more insulating tape & preferably some shrink wrap to build up a stopper which will fit through youre micro pulley but not youre knot, job done!

 

Arial rescue & general risk management is imagining what if? like when andy said: "1st Aider is on holiday, the mobile signal is suddenly crap in the area, and someone left the rescue kit under the workbench today"

Is the senario avoidable?

yes

how can we impliment this

job jobbed!

Some1 else said they sometimes think something like "now would not be a good time to have to do a resque"

could it be made better? if so............... you get my jist

[Arbocop]

hold ya breath chaps and chapesses this may be a long one

 

in answer to the first question yes, too many times had to rescue my self one time following an unfortunate incident with a silky zubat, took longer to get the blood off the green house than it did to reduce the lime.

 

had to pull 3 people out of trees, one kowarla on a job try who just froze, fraked and cryed, he would not let go. he now drives taxis in the local area.

 

and two gus that lost there ropes out on branches and freaked. accidents are funny things, when there is a cry for you it always has that tone to it that makes you go cold, i was also on site were some one screamed my name as i was about to go up a tree and turned in time to see a body falling and bounce as it hit the front garden........... the thing that saved his life was the land scaping, new turf layed on a deeply tilled soil just like a crash mat, very lucky guy, the other bad thing i was forman on that site, i had to ring his gf and tell her he was in hospital but would be ok, the tears and all that was just heart ripping.

 

now some years on ive been involved at looking at accidents and every time you see the blood the tape the photos of the site flower tributes etc it reminds you why this is a thing that needs s to be taken serously.

 

now going back to the first incident where i did a live resue i remember they chaps words, nah screams from the tree,

 

"dont let me die plees dont let me die i thought you were hear to help me"

 

no way he was going to die but he thought so, i still use those words when training today amoungst lots of wisle blowing and shouting and gennerally trying to scare the rescuer as in a recue situation people all act differantly. been to a few RTIs and even dragged a teenager from the bottom of a river, and nothing no nothing prapares you fully for how you will deal with things.

 

what does help is practise, realistic practice, repeated practice, and disapline, a funny thing to say i know but when the **** hits the fan people need to know there roles and do them with out question or hesitation.

 

i was at an incident this summer where things could have gone very wrong as one of the rescue team on site had (ohh this was not tree work i should add involved water activities) never actually done a live resue only practise and when they saw what they thiught was a corps comming out of the river he fraked and broke down. now i think no less of him for that hes back helping now and pitching in but at that moment we had to change how we were doing things, and that happened due to peoples experiance AND

 

ayes a big AND well thought out planned rescue plans based on a RA simple as that as it says at the bottom hear plan for the worst..................................

 

now take a breath and ill continue.......................................

[Arbocop]

few that better needed that

 

now to my other point, take what every one has said above and roll it all together and you have your answer, as an industry we are rubbish at rescue planning, and emergency procedure. IMHO

 

but we get by, we have a good innisial system, learning simple methods with siple kit and practising them a little, great however this has been let doen a little by some people in the past not fully covering the range of skills that should be covered on cources ie pole recue.

 

so whats my point hear planning and practise practise and planning, and just remember the best resue is one were you dont leave the ground at all.

 

there are many ways to recover a casulty or assisst ther decent with out leaving the ground.

 

the times ive had to do resue im alwas glad that im made to practise regually.

 

plan and practise

 

practise and plan

 

cheers all

 

stay safe out ther

 

kev