Whoa lol

[Rob D]

I totally agree that there always has to be a compromise ......but hey I'll throw this one out there should apprenticeships not be pushed again ,.........but properly not just a gimmick???

 

 

Would be great to have that again... just found this but only had enough energy to read the title!

 

Whatever happened to apprenticeship training? A British, American, Australian comparison - LSE Research Online and the article is here http://eprints.lse.ac.uk/20909/1/Whatever_Happened_to_Apprenticeship_Training.pdf

 

 

[Spruce Pirate]

The fact is that we should, note the word should, it is only a recommendation, take refresher training every three years for part time users and five years for full time users. While this will in many cases be treated as just what it is, a recommendation, there are those who insist on it. For good or for bad, I have two clients who insist on it so I will have to do it, and ensure that all those on site have been refreshed (there may also be insurance repercussions). In fact, we have done refresher and it's not a totally bad thing. Anyway, the point is, it's being done and has to be done, so it's got to be paid for by someone, either employer or S/E person and absorbed into costings. Just another expensive fact of life I'm afraid.

 

I agree, getting people with the skill set to teach may push the instructors knowledge and abilities too, but is this really a bad thing? I'm not an instructor, but if I was I'd want to be learning and pushing myself to more knowledge as well. It may be that a two tier instructor system is needed.

[Craobh]

The fact is that we should, note the word should, it is only a recommendation, take refresher training every three years for part time users and five years for full time users. While this will in many cases be treated as just what it is, a recommendation, there are those who insist on it. For good or for bad, I have two clients who insist on it so I will have to do it, and ensure that all those on site have been refreshed (there may also be insurance repercussions). In fact, we have done refresher and it's not a totally bad thing. Anyway, the point is, it's being done and has to be done, so it's got to be paid for by someone, either employer or S/E person and absorbed into costings. Just another expensive fact of life I'm afraid.

 

I agree, getting people with the skill set to teach may push the instructors knowledge and abilities too, but is this really a bad thing? I'm not an instructor, but if I was I'd want to be learning and pushing myself to more knowledge as well. It may be that a two tier instructor system is needed.

 

 

I agree with what you say

 

 

In the states there are different grades of cert fallers so thereby the instructors are in place for that.

 

 

There are also wild land and wild fire certs too and if your working in that area they have to be up to date......they'll even check your kit before they let ya on to a job. The logging industry it really depends where who and for whom your working there are very few things that cover all states lol

[Rob D]

For good or for bad, I have two clients who insist on it so I will have to do it, and ensure that all those on site have been refreshed (there may also be insurance repercussions).

 

 

 

If you didn't have these two clients that insist on it would you still do the refreshers?

 

 

I think it's good really - when you take the time to sit down and re look at things you can learn a lot... i just remember always rushing around when i was a full time contractor - never had any time... this i admit could well have been down to poor organisational skills on my part though!

[Craobh]

I'd suspect Rob it was more to do with staying in business and getting the work done

[Spruce Pirate]

If you didn't have these two clients that insist on it would you still do the refreshers?

 

Almost certainly not.

 

That said, I think it will become more prevelant. I'd be pretty surprised if more of the bigger companies and organisations don't start insisting on it, along with insurance companies, the accrediting bodies, etc.

 

I agree, it's difficult to find the time, alright very difficult, verging on the impossilbe, when you're flat out trying to make a pound or two, but it shouldn't be impossible, and if it's done right you do get something for it.

 

I like the sound of the US idea of varying levels of certification, in effect we have that here with the NPTC units, one leads to another, these could also be expanded to include advanced or specialist (whatever the latest terminology is) techniques.

[Craobh]

IMHO lol the different grades won't float here the industry not big enough (that isn't a dig btw) maybe in the tree surgery area it would tho.

[Spruce Pirate]

IMHO lol the different grades won't float here the industry not big enough (that isn't a dig btw) maybe in the tree surgery area it would tho.

 

Doesn't have to be exactly the same, like I said, the basics of it are already there with the NPTC's.

 

Out of noseyness, how does the US system work? How many different grades, do you have to put in a number of years before going from one grade to the next, is it assessment based, do you have to be reassessed.... etc?

[Craobh]

Doesn't have to be exactly the same, like I said, the basics of it are already there with the NPTC's.

 

Out of noseyness, how does the US system work? How many different grades, do you have to put in a number of years before going from one grade to the next, is it assessment based, do you have to be reassessed.... etc?

 

http://wildfirelessons.net/documents/Scratchline_Issue16.pdf

 

 

There a pdf bout the grades etc

[scotspine1]

The fact is that we should, note the word should, it is only a recommendation, take refresher training every five years for full time users.

 

refresher training for experienced users is a money making exercise for training providers

 

If I went on refresher training course it'd be me telling the so called, 'experts' how to use a chainsaw not the other way round.

 

No one is going to tell me how to use a chainsaw, especially not a training provider. I've been using chainsaws everyday of the week since 1996, there is nothing any training provider can tell me about using a saw.

 

It's time the industry put this 'refresher training for experienced users' trash in the bin, it's a complete joke, an insult to your intelligence and a drain on your hard earned cash. While we're all out doing real work, the training providers are sitting having meetings on how to get more money out of us.

 

If there is anyone out there who can explain why I need a refresher course in chainsaw use I would like to hear from you, genuinely, go on, explain to me why I should do a refresher training course. It better be good.

 

 

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Edited April 30, 2013 by scotspine1