Competent Splicer?

[scotspine1]

" (there's a chicken and egg issue there!) "

 

So it seems NPTC are able and willing to designate units to apply competence to LOLER inspectors wothout splicing being an issue ( ie they are not trained or assessed in this regard re arb )...as they are not willing to offer units for splicing competence....there would seem to be an anomaly hereabouts....?

 

Are you saying a LOLER inspector should be able to splice in order to understand and identify what a faulty eye-splice looks like?

[High Scale]

Are you saying a LOLER inspector should be able to splice in order to understand and identify what a faulty eye-splice looks like?

 

I think that that would be a good start.

[Tully]

Are you saying a LOLER inspector should be able to splice in order to understand and identify what a faulty eye-splice looks like?

 

Sounds like the right way to me.

[nod]

Are you saying a LOLER inspector should be able to splice in order to understand and identify what a faulty eye-splice looks like?

 

Hi TIm

 

I think that it's possible to look at the question in a slightly different way.

 

If an individual is being paid to assess the fitness/condition of a piece of kit that he/she doesn't understand its morphology or construction, how can he/she be deemed competant to inspect it? I'm sure many have heard stories of splices passing inspection with no whip or stitch intact! This sort of thing should not happen but it does because some people don't understand what they are looking at, & ultimately we're talking about a element of the kit bag that you hang your life in.

 

I would welcome a section in the LOLER training that focused purely on rope technology.

 

Cheers

Nod

[Amelanchier]

Are you saying a LOLER inspector should be able to splice in order to understand and identify what a faulty eye-splice looks like?

 

I think this is a seperate issue from defining competence to splice. I'd suggest that you don't need be a LOLER inspector to be competent at splicing and therefore we can define the latter without the former. (Thankfully)

 

 

I think the issue can be broken down into two main directions:-

 

• What is competence?
   
  
• How do we assess it?
  

[Bundle 2]

Are you saying a LOLER inspector should be able to splice in order to understand and identify what a faulty eye-splice looks like?

 

I am saying that a LOLER inspector cannot inspect the splice without an understanding of its anatomy- and to do so without said insight is to potentially shoot himself in the foot( hence we see inspectors dismissing splices outright as a result of the the difficulties stemming from the splice's origin.)....an aspect that NPTC is not willing to engage with illustrated by its refusal to create a unit applicable to splicing.......

This only serves to undermine what standing NPTC has as the foremost representative body for training in our industry Tim...imo.

Logically, NPTC will have to apply themselves to this issue at some level in the future....if only to continue to validate LOLER inspectors with an appropriate level of understanding to both do their job and perpetuate some degree of respect for LOLER inspections within the industry. I am not trying to threaten in any way but I believe it is a missed opportunity to improve industry standards and practice...again...imo.

[bob]

Are you saying a LOLER inspector should be able to splice in order to understand and identify what a faulty eye-splice looks like?

 

i am not saying it,s a must but i felt as a loler bod that i wanted to learn and understand splices and rope construction and differences between core and sheath strengths ect

and i wanted to be able to splice

but i do believe there is a limit to what a loler inspector could ever know i am not a specialist welder and can not sew or forge metal

but i can spend a lot of time reading reports and reviews and improving product knowledge and working out suitable systems ect ect

[carlos]

intresting that this has come up again there was a thread similar a while ago. it seems to me that there needs to be a governing body that runs splicing courses and issues competency certs that are reconised by loler so that people can do there own splices properly. a while ago i got all intersted in splicing(maily due to halving a few ropes, nother story!!) and started doing some but the loler inspecter told me that he wouldnt pass them without me having a cert from the rope manufactures none got back to me regarding this so i gave up on the idea shame because it was intersting subject hopfully this grey area will come to light and a system put in place for the arborist to safley and legaly splice his/her own rope. carl.

[Jamie]

There should be some means of demonstrating competance in splicing.

Manufacturers are not the sole preserve in the splicing world and it is not the dark art that many seem to presume it is.

LOLER inspectors should have a basic knowledge of rope splicing, otherwise how can they accuratly assess the condition of the splice.

 

 

I can splice, i've had some splices broken by the MoD (through Mainbrace Marine in Rosyth, outside Edinburgh). I got these splices broken as i had radically altered the guidelines on teh specific splice. I have kept records of how i spliced the cord and have kept the destruction testing. To my mind that is the basis of conformity and a proven record of competancy.

 

Nod, you are leading the development of this, right?

 

Jamie

[Mesterh]

So if you have had your rope spliced by anyone other than the manufacture than it wont pass a LOLER test?

 

I aint gonna go off on a tangent here just interested to know