permited development for forestry building

[likeitorlumpit]

My take on this although I haven't read all the posts is.

To store a few tools and keep wood dry would need minimal building and a cover.

Just do it and see what happens. A small woodland may need a tractor- would you store one even in a steel framed building- Gypos will find it.

I was looking at 4 acres recently but the security of the wood was minimal and it was a long way from houses= good & bad.

I can't see any building on woodland away from houses being anything other than a worry security wise. How can you hide it. Eventually someone will come across it and then who knows.

[renewablejohn]

no i own it, the people before done christamas trees and copicing in the 70's. i pretty sure its never been anything to do with the forestry commision

 

 

That explains a lot. Your planner is looking for a loophole to disallow your permitted development application. The permitted development rules only apply to woodland but for tax purposes christmas trees and coppicing were not classed as woodland. see below

 

BIM67701 - Woodlands: historical overview

 

You definitely need expert advice the key will be to establish the woodland as a "commercial" woodland the easiest way to do that would be by speaking to the forestry commission and possibly enter into one of there woodland management schemes. (You might even get paid peanuts for your time and effort)

Edited April 23, 2013 by renewablejohn

[Ty Unnos]

You need to look at the letter where they told you permitted development was not applicable and full planning permission was required.

 

They should have told you which criteria you did not meet? You will need to argue that you do meet the criteria for permitted development and they are wrong to insist on full planning.

 

There are other options if you cannot get permission for the barn.

 

You are allowed to site a caravan in a woodland and it can be used for overnight accommodation for 'forestry workers'

 

You could also think about a shipping container for storing your tools and tractor. If used for this purpose I don't think you need planning permission.

[Justme]

 

the key will be to establish the woodland as a "commercial" woodland

 

 

 

The actual permitted development regulations state that the operation does not have to be of a commercial nature so "hobby" forestry still gets the same rights as professional forestry.

[roglog]

The actual permitted development regulations state that the operation does not have to be of a commercial nature so "hobby" forestry still gets the same rights as professional forestry.

 

this is how i understood it to, ive only been doing this in my spare time.

[roglog]

You need to look at the letter where they told you permitted development was not applicable and full planning permission was required.

 

They should have told you which criteria you did not meet? You will need to argue that you do meet the criteria for permitted development and they are wrong to insist on full planning.

 

There are other options if you cannot get permission for the barn.

 

You are allowed to site a caravan in a woodland and it can be used for overnight accommodation for 'forestry workers'

 

You could also think about a shipping container for storing your tools and tractor. If used for this purpose I don't think you need planning permission.

 

as i understand it they are saying that to continue with the building under permitted devolpment i need to prove that it is necassary for what im doing, which i have done in writing and they just ask the same question again!

Main problem is i have paid for the building, done the groundwork and its booked in to be erected in 2 weeks, if i stop them building it will just get delivered and ill have to pay for erection at a later date....

[renewablejohn]

As I said you need to prove its part of a commercial woodland. Basically the planners are applying standard agricultural conditions to a forestry environment. Yes it is wrong but joe bloggs will not convince them otherwise which is why you need a land agent capable of quoting chapter and verse pointing out the errors of there ways.

[ratcatcher]

have you done a management plan, for say the next 7 years?, I was on the understanding that without that, you'd never get a yes

[dustydave]

Can you 'borrow' a few more acres - you only need to say that you rent them and they don't have to be adjoining (even better if they are in a different councils area). If not, forestry land doesn't have to have any trees on; just intention that that it will be forested. Also, the building can be for a future assumed need - it doesn't need to be a current need.

 

All the info. is out there - you just need to search!

[roglog]

still having a few problems with this! I have a total of 12ish acres locally, but have to write a management plan and a program of works.

what operations are classed as forestry? I am mainly doing logs for firewood at the moment but plan on doing Christmas trees and possibly regenerating some of the coppice that the woodland was used for in the 70's.