Log sales what % goes to the black economy

[difflock]

When I attempt to cross charge other departments for work done incl Belfast runs and lost time I generally try for £25.00/hr to cover our absolute cte of £13.00 per man plus the cost of running a van and insurances and fuel and small tools and ancillaries, plus my own wage costs (sigh) etc etc.

Generally to be met with a squawk of protest.

In vain I say that Pattons charge £40.00/hr for a maint/call-out joiner for the reasons as quoted.

Even a big ride-on lawnmower costs £25.00/hr to run with a man plus to allow for a profit, so what ? £20.00/hr nett?

cheers

m

[difflock]

When I attempt to cross charge other departments for work done incl Belfast runs and lost time I generally try for £25.00/hr to cover our absolute cte of £13.00 per man plus the cost of running a van and insurances and fuel and small tools and ancillaries, plus my own wage costs (sigh) etc etc.

Generally to be met with a squawk of protest.

In vain I say that Pattons charge £40.00/hr for a maint/call-out joiner for the reasons as quoted.

Even a big ride-on lawnmower costs £25.00/hr to run with a man plus to allow for a profit, so what ? £20.00/hr nett?

cheers

m

[ThrustSSC]

Its amazing how when you sit down and really REALISTICALLY scrutinise your overheads how it bites into your profits..... how do you store your logs for seasoning Thrust?

 

It does - and it's why I think that any investment in process improvement has to be carefully scrutinised from a PROVEN base cost. What's the point in getting a processor if all it does is leave you twiddling your thumbs because you can't work it enough?

 

Anyway, to answer the question: in vented bags, on pallets, in my wood yard.

 

Next year I'm looking to get a polytunnel installed. Cost works out at £2.50 to £3.00 a cube over 10 years, and will be more than offset by the premium it will allow me to put on the price for hard-seasoned wood. I've already validated if that premium will be workable with my particular customer base.

[ThrustSSC]

Its amazing how when you sit down and really REALISTICALLY scrutinise your overheads how it bites into your profits..... how do you store your logs for seasoning Thrust?

 

It does - and it's why I think that any investment in process improvement has to be carefully scrutinised from a PROVEN base cost. What's the point in getting a processor if all it does is leave you twiddling your thumbs because you can't work it enough?

 

Anyway, to answer the question: in vented bags, on pallets, in my wood yard.

 

Next year I'm looking to get a polytunnel installed. Cost works out at £2.50 to £3.00 a cube over 10 years, and will be more than offset by the premium it will allow me to put on the price for hard-seasoned wood. I've already validated if that premium will be workable with my particular customer base.

[Stereo]

This is an excellent thread. I don't do logs but applaud the thinking here. Great stuff.

[Stereo]

This is an excellent thread. I don't do logs but applaud the thinking here. Great stuff.

[gensetsteve]

It does - and it's why I think that any investment in process improvement has to be carefully scrutinised from a PROVEN base cost. What's the point in getting a processor if all it does is leave you twiddling your thumbs because you can't work it enough?

 

Anyway, to answer the question: in vented bags, on pallets, in my wood yard.

 

Next year I'm looking to get a polytunnel installed. Cost works out at £2.50 to £3.00 a cube over 10 years, and will be more than offset by the premium it will allow me to put on the price for hard-seasoned wood. I've already validated if that premium will be workable with my particular customer base.

 

We have a couple of poly tunnels good results and often in only a few weeks. good place to work but not in summer. I have a large tunnel with concrete floor and tip my vent bags out a few weeks before sending them out. I use a bobcat and can turn a tipper round in 4 mins on a saturday which is when most want their logs delivered.

[gensetsteve]

It does - and it's why I think that any investment in process improvement has to be carefully scrutinised from a PROVEN base cost. What's the point in getting a processor if all it does is leave you twiddling your thumbs because you can't work it enough?

 

Anyway, to answer the question: in vented bags, on pallets, in my wood yard.

 

Next year I'm looking to get a polytunnel installed. Cost works out at £2.50 to £3.00 a cube over 10 years, and will be more than offset by the premium it will allow me to put on the price for hard-seasoned wood. I've already validated if that premium will be workable with my particular customer base.

 

We have a couple of poly tunnels good results and often in only a few weeks. good place to work but not in summer. I have a large tunnel with concrete floor and tip my vent bags out a few weeks before sending them out. I use a bobcat and can turn a tipper round in 4 mins on a saturday which is when most want their logs delivered.

[Dave Martin]

It does - and it's why I think that any investment in process improvement has to be carefully scrutinised from a PROVEN base cost. What's the point in getting a processor if all it does is leave you twiddling your thumbs because you can't work it enough?

 

Anyway, to answer the question: in vented bags, on pallets, in my wood yard.

 

Next year I'm looking to get a polytunnel installed. Cost works out at £2.50 to £3.00 a cube over 10 years, and will be more than offset by the premium it will allow me to put on the price for hard-seasoned wood. I've already validated if that premium will be workable with my particular customer base.

 

Sorry I missed that you had included bags and pallets in your costings. When I first started I worked out a basic figure that each cube cost to get to the yard process season and deliver and added this to the cost of the timber but when you do really sit down and scrutinise your expenses right down to gloves, tarpaulin sheets, all weather clothing, electricity (for night time working), tools for maintenance, repairs and renewals, maintenance etc. it really does bite into the bottom line. When I used to do management accounts when I had petrol stations the initial view of the net profit used to look very healthy until I really got down to the fine scrutiny and then tens of thousands were wiped off the bottom line.

[Dave Martin]

It does - and it's why I think that any investment in process improvement has to be carefully scrutinised from a PROVEN base cost. What's the point in getting a processor if all it does is leave you twiddling your thumbs because you can't work it enough?

 

Anyway, to answer the question: in vented bags, on pallets, in my wood yard.

 

Next year I'm looking to get a polytunnel installed. Cost works out at £2.50 to £3.00 a cube over 10 years, and will be more than offset by the premium it will allow me to put on the price for hard-seasoned wood. I've already validated if that premium will be workable with my particular customer base.

 

Sorry I missed that you had included bags and pallets in your costings. When I first started I worked out a basic figure that each cube cost to get to the yard process season and deliver and added this to the cost of the timber but when you do really sit down and scrutinise your expenses right down to gloves, tarpaulin sheets, all weather clothing, electricity (for night time working), tools for maintenance, repairs and renewals, maintenance etc. it really does bite into the bottom line. When I used to do management accounts when I had petrol stations the initial view of the net profit used to look very healthy until I really got down to the fine scrutiny and then tens of thousands were wiped off the bottom line.