First Aid Essentials for Climbers - (Celox & Celox-A)

[treemuppet]

Try the Celox-D it comes in little bags that dissolve in blood. Very handy for outdoor use as it stops it getting blown in your eyes.

[Steve Bullman]

not sure what you're doing wrong, but i come up with 3 pages when i search "knots"

 

http://arbtalk.co.uk/forum/search.php?searchid=802211

[Nick Waring]

heres what my search box looks like before i get the results. (sorry for streching the forum, was unreadable when i attached it)

 

Edited December 18, 2008 by Nick Waring

[Celoxman]

... Basically you sprinkle them on large wounds and they clot the blood very rapidly and prevent potentially life threatening blood loss.

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I wouldn't advise just 'sprinkling on' Celox. Identify the bleeding site, pour the product onto/into the wound and apply aggressive pressure to control the bleeding.

 

Sprinkling the granules on a bad bleed, and they could get carried away by the bloodflow.

[Celoxman]

While this seems like a good idea there are a few questions pointed out by my lady (A senior sister specialising in trauma in A+E) which would need answering, firstly while I realise that chainsaw clothing doesn't always stop a running saw injuries are very rarely of such a serious magnitude that they are so life threatening that either a paramedic or air ambulance could not get to you in time. secondly although the video shows how easilly the clot can be removed once bleeding has stopped the cut shown was very different (they used a scalpel) to a chainsaw injury and quick clot (a brand name) would be quite difficult to clean up from a ragged chainsaw cut so the wound could be repaired. thirdly how many tree surgeons would be temped to use it on fairly minor cuts e.g ones requiring a few stitches where a normal compression bandage would do therefore taking more time up in A+E due to having to clean it out. I do however think that there maybe a case of having a pack in the team first aid kit but only for use where everything else has failed.

 

Some good points FB.

 

Celox isn't meant for all bleeds, just the scary ones!

 

Celox is easily removed from any shaped wound. The 'plug' conforms to the wound shape, and usually comes out in a oner. Any left in can be flushed out with saline. As for use on smaller wounds, it takes hardly any time to get out.

 

Hope that helps

[sse arb]

there is another option to celox it is just as good and was developed at the same time celox was primarily used for bullet wounds by the millitary and yes it is good the other option is a blood stopper called the h bandage with out a word of lie this wiil do the same job and unlike other blood stoppers you dont have to put bandage on bandage on bandage for a major bleed the h bandage is the only thing you will need and again its millitary the only problem with celox may be what if you think your doing the right thing and apply it to an unconcious casualty's wound and for some reason it proves to be depremental you can be sued so the h bandage is just as good and includes no law suit.

[Steve Bullman]

Thanks for that. The search engine in this forum finds nothing. I did try and was hoping I wasn't replicating. I tried first aid as a keyword in search and as always got zero hits but I also get zero for "knot"!

 

this is what i got for celox Arbtalk.co.uk | Discussion Forum for Arborists - Search Results

 

and stacks for knot...are you sure you're using it properly?

[Paul Smith]

there is another option to celox it is just as good and was developed at the same time celox was primarily used for bullet wounds by the millitary and yes it is good the other option is a blood stopper called the h bandage with out a word of lie this wiil do the same job and unlike other blood stoppers you dont have to put bandage on bandage on bandage for a major bleed the h bandage is the only thing you will need and again its millitary the only problem with celox may be what if you think your doing the right thing and apply it to an unconcious casualty's wound and for some reason it proves to be depremental you can be sued so the h bandage is just as good and includes no law suit.

 

Are you referring to the new First field dressing? If the casualty is unconscious or not if YOU don't stop the bleeding he/she may bleed to death!

[sse arb]

Are you referring to the new First field dressing? If the casualty is unconscious or not if YOU don't stop the bleeding he/she may bleed to death!

 

your right of course what i ment was that the new h bandage is just as good and wiil stop the bleed as effective as celox so to avoid any possible deprimentle issues ie law suits this may be a better choice that was a choice the company i work for made

[skyhuck]

your right of course what i ment was that the new h bandage is just as good and wiil stop the bleed as effective as celox so to avoid any possible deprimentle issues ie law suits this may be a better choice that was a choice the company i work for made

 

It would not be difficult to ask all staff members if they are happy to allow its use on them should the need arise and produce paper work for them to sign as evidence to this.

 

Although I am not aware of any possible adverse affects.