Possibly jumping ship...

[Riggerbear]

Gristwood & Toms, not too far from you.

[nathan marshall]

ill try my best spoken to them before but i dont think they have any avaliable positions yet

[Paul Jenks]

Moving to a new employer is always a bit of a gamble. The challenge at the moment is that it is not so easy to bounce on to another if your choice turns out to be not so good. As an improving climber it's good to get in with a company with a sound lead climber who can show you stuff. Easy to say not so easy to find. Start knocking on doors to see if you can get a start on your days off.

[Tree cutter Stu]

Gristwoods are looking for people everywhere at the moment.

[nathan marshall]

very good idea paul as i still really want to improve on my climbing as im still learning i help my freind doing grounds stuff 3 days a week so if i can find somewhere else i may be lucky to work on a part time basis doing tree work i have just got to hope for the best its hard but it comes to the best of companies.

[Marc]

Size of company is not really important, aa approved means very little if anything unfortunately. Most of the companies I work/ed for have been aa approved but fairly small 3-6 guys on the tools with freelancers coming in to help when needed.

 

Training and certification whilst important is not everything, experience is king and better than any paperwork.

I,d say go for a small company if you can find one with a good group of lads one preferably that has good freelancers coming and going as they will bring in much differing experience to draw upon.

[nathan marshall]

Gristwoods are looking for people everywhere at the moment.

 

i not that long ago enquired and they only had first climber positions and i would not put myself just there yet, this was at the shenley yard though not sure about any others

[roseyweb]

Do you really want to join a big company?

When your in a van team you are the machine

 

when your in a big company your a small cog in massive machine

[Joe Loggs]

Do you really want to join a big company?

When your in a van team you are the machine

 

when your in a big company your a small cog in massive machine

 

I agree but being in a large company means less pressure and more opportunity to learn.

[Paul Jenks]

I agree but being in a large company means less pressure and more opportunity to learn.

 

I think that over simplifies the debate a little.

 

There are opportunities to learn in all sizes of companies and it's not just learning how to do things. Often one improves working for a bad company, though typically when one has an instinct for their own welfare and can recognise poor practice and learn how not to do things.

 

How many people on here have worked with/for bad bosses/managers and worked out a better way of doing something? There is pressure in most companies to perform.

 

Wherever you move to, Nathan, keep sight of your goal and use the experience to progress.

 

It takes time to develop and learn the skills in this and most other trades to become profficient.

 

I'll agree it is usually easier for a larger company to absorb the costs associated with bringing newbies up to speed. Sometimes a smaller business will invest too if they see a committed worker that doesn't cost too much, (here I don't mean cheap, just a little less than the normal rates.). Turning up on time, being a willing and consistant hard worker and not whinging are as valuable as a suite of NPTC certs.

 

As an employer we have and have had our share of bloody good workers and shirkers. That's the chance we take employing. From your side you take a chance stepping into employment. Some bosses are bloody good some aren't.