K-K-K-K-K-Kretzch

[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

Claus being the well respected and highly regarded collegue, who knows all there is to know of VTA and biomechanics , but (10 years ago : so when was this conversation ?) could not tell a beech from a hornbeam or an Acer from a Platanus, let alone distinguish a Ganoderma from a Phellinus and had or (still) hasn't got a clue of ectomycorrhizal macrofungi and the role they play in TSSE's ?

I'm not referring to reducing big beeches "with issues", which are already under attack of Ganoderma's or Meripilus, but to beeches in good to perfect condition being reduced, because of too much shade in gardens or overgrowing the crowns of other trees standing close by.

And the principle also works the other way around. I can show you lots of old beeches, of which major roots were cut off because of road or sewer works, with detrimental effects to or dying of the corresponding branches in the crown and up tempo colonizing of the damaged roots by Meripilus or Armillaria.

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in 2008 during my VTA training, he made the same comment you made regarding the inability of beech to take heavy reductions, I dissagreed thats all.

 

i wasnt having a pop! just hate the stigma attached to the two words BEECH/REDUCTION. they are FAR more resilient than currently given credit for IMO.

[Fungus]

... regarding the inability of beech to take heavy reductions ... just hate the stigma attached to the two words BEECH/REDUCTION. they are FAR more resilient than currently given credit for IMO.

 

I also hate stigmata attached to trees and/or macrofungi or their combinations, but did you follow up and monitor the regeneration of secondary roots from the trunk's base after heavy pruning or reduction of the crown and find Laccaria amethystina colonizing them, being ""mother's little helper" for the seeds falling down and germinating in a circle close to the base of the trunk, where the mycelium of the pioneer symbiont is awaiting them, which is, as I stated before, a reaction from a beech at old age or under attack of parasites, when it "feels" its end is coming near and only wants to invest in its own offspring ?

[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

Gerrit, I saw nothing of the laccaria, in the second tree which ,may be as described reaching that end game, but the first one I can tell you is in fine rude health

[Fungus]

I saw nothing of the laccaria, in the second tree which ,may be as described reaching that end game, but the first one I can tell you is in fine rude health

 

Tony,

Once or twice looking for secondary roots and L. amethystina fruiting from them is not enough, one should monitor at least for five to ten years after the pruining or reduction of the crown, as it takes a while for the tree and the pioneer symbiont to react to their full extent. Also see my MTA report.

[Fungus]

... one should monitor at least for five to ten years after the pruining or reduction of the crown, as it takes a while for the tree and the pioneer symbiont to react to their full extent.

 

And one should also take into consideration, that compared to Quercus robur and Q. petrea, Fagus has a much shorter life cycle with less opportunity to reproduce as it becomes 250-300 years max (in The Netherlands 150-200 years) if the conditions are optimal and that is probably why its seeds only have an energy reserve for 2 years, after which the roots of the seedling have to be colonized by tree species specific ectmycorrhizal pioneers such as L. amethystina, while oaks produce seeds with an energy reserve for 5 years, of which the germinated acorns do not need tree species specific pioneer symbionts to quick start their roots taking up nutrients from the soil so early in their life cycle, because they can dispose of a variety of generalistic ectomycorrhizal pioneer symbionts.

[MattyF]

Photos from the gano thread I also showed a beach with Kretz and gano well on the same site is this beech , thought I would post as it has flushed up and seems to show plenty of vigour despite Kretz being present on every buttress ! I know my dad did a report in the same tree ten years ago and the same fungus was present I believe although I will have to wait for him to go through his records to confirm and I know he still calls it by the old name as he did not have a clue when I hassled him this evening!

Any way it's bad no photos of base but not good , going to try cutting in half though with coronets as owner is worried about it going through her stock fence and prize sheep escaping on to the a1 !

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[BenR]

Could someone tell me if this is the dreaded K word I think it might be?

On a nice hornbeam in the bishop of winchester's place. Something seems to be doing some damage.

[Matthew Arnold]

Thats the dreaded K

[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

indeed

[RobRainford]

As soon as I look at that picture my back aches from thinking of carrying all that firewood!