For Mrtree and Hammy

[Tom D]

Sticking my neck out, I'd say the outer foot or so was white and healthy, the rest was darker but still hard to the touch, there was a small pocket of soft / hollow in the middle.

 

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[mrtree]

the centre may well have been cake, but what residual wall and strength was left? decay is normal in the ancient tree.

 

Absolutely

 

Not only what was left but what was the architecture of the tree, what was its location (primarily to wind), what is the maximum normal winds in the location, what was around the tree interfering with wind flow, what was the growth rate, what was the trees foot print, etc.

 

If you are going to remove a tree because it is hollow or has a decayed centre than I assume you would recommend the immediate removal of te Eiffel Tower and the Leaning Tower of Pisa, oh and every other building that has rooms in it.

[Pat Ferrett]

the centre may well have been cake, but what residual wall and strength was left? decay is normal in the ancient tree.

 

I brought the tree to the attention of the estate manager and they had an indepth tree survey conducted. the butt was resistance tested and was deemed to be at risk of hose pipping. the buttress roots were none existant and the poor old thing was only standing due to perfect balance and a sheltered spot. I've got the tree survey somewhere if you want to have a look , even a few pictures of the tree coming down and the state of the butt.

[Stephen Blair]

If you are going to remove a tree because it is hollow or has a decayed centre than I assume you would recommend the immediate removal of te Eiffel Tower and the Leaning Tower of Pisa, oh and every other building that has rooms in it.

 

Lets keep this nice, the big tree is down, you didnt think it should of been, the customer wanted it down, i cut it down, so lets move on please:001_smile:

 

I am the guy who works to the extreme, that we know. Is it due to lack of knowledge on VTA and past experiences? It might well be BUT i am wanting to learn from guys like yourself, so lets not let other personality traits get in the way of education. That is something i need to learn aswell:thumbup1:

 

I do not know what TR means, and Tony. The 2nd picture was taken to the say 12 o'clock to to 5 oclock, 12 being west and the lower property to the east.

[ben lightfoot]

come on steve lets see those other pics please:thumbup:

[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

I brought the tree to the attention of the estate manager and they had an indepth tree survey conducted. the butt was resistance tested and was deemed to be at risk of hose pipping. the buttress roots were none existant and the poor old thing was only standing due to perfect balance and a sheltered spot. I've got the tree survey somewhere if you want to have a look , even a few pictures of the tree coming down and the state of the butt.

 

I agree that not all trees could or should be saved, but if it stood before felling in a maiden state, it can and would stand for at least a human lifetime in a reduced state providing the decay organisms are not too invasive, say australe.

[Neil Frost]

Hi Stephen, cracking looking tree there matey. T/R ratio is how much sound wood there is relative to the radius of the stem. Should be 30% or over, or else, according to Mattheck, there is a greater risk of the tree failing. Even if it is less than 30%, doesn't mean the trees had it though, other factors play a part.

[Paul Barton]

 

If you are going to remove a tree because it is hollow or has a decayed centre than I assume you would recommend the immediate removal of te Eiffel Tower and the Leaning Tower of Pisa, oh and every other building that has rooms in it.

 

You are obviously a very intelligent chap, but that is a rather ridiculous analogy!

[Stephen Blair]

Hi Stephen, cracking looking tree there matey. T/R ratio is how much sound wood there is relative to the radius of the stem. Should be 30% or over, or else, according to Mattheck, there is a greater risk of the tree failing. Even if it is less than 30%, doesn't mean the trees had it though, other factors play a part.

 

Thanks for that:thumbup1:, my concern about the tree was not at the base, but 30 feet up where the tree was mult-istemmed, it was easily 2-3 times the diameter and the owners were worried it would tear out .

[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

Lets keep this nice, the big tree is down, you didnt think it should of been, the customer wanted it down, i cut it down, so lets move on please:001_smile:

 

I am the guy who works to the extreme, that we know. Is it due to lack of knowledge on VTA and past experiences? It might well be BUT i am wanting to learn from guys like yourself, so lets not let other personality traits get in the way of education. That is something i need to learn aswell:thumbup1:

 

I do not know what TR means, and Tony. The 2nd picture was taken to the say 12 o'clock to to 5 oclock, 12 being west and the lower property to the east.

 

stephen, im not criticising you in any way shape nor form, we all do what we have to do based on what we know, there was a time I couldnt ident a single fungi! and would have feeled a rotten tree, same as you.

 

what i am doing here on this forum, is trying to present options, share what i know, and learn from those that know better than i.

 

I dont need to see the internals to know (the evidence is in the language) that this trees life force was strong as an ox. however that doesnt mean i would have made a prognosis on the visuals, i would have investigated it further, if that option (cost) was not an option i guess thats another story, but an increment core is cheap and could be done as part of your evaluation for gratis. People dont like invasive techniques, i say tosh, if its a choice between felling and doing nothing at all do a core.

 

so come on stevie, is the left side downhill or uphill, dont give me that jibba jabba clockwork orange rubbish!

 

and get them pics up