Lets see your Guns.

[Will Ayers]

Dark ages of land management eh! Never seen pigeons ignore every deterrent goin in order to get at oil seed rape then have you. Here's a pretty poor bag of 35 on rape the other week. That's my mate Acer looking proud of her work.

[DWOM]

They're doing us a good service pulling oil seed rape out of the ground!

 

See, it's all about perspective, and if it's is skewed from the start, it can be an uphill battle.

[Gus McWilliam]

They're doing us a good service pulling oil seed rape out of the ground!

 

See, it's all about perspective, and if it's is skewed from the start, it can be an uphill battle.

 

Not when a farmer needs to sell it to feed his family.

[Will Ayers]

All I'm saying is that, with the dulcet tones ringing throughout the countryside at this time of year. It makes sense to ponder how we got here and where we are going.

 

All that's left are the scraps, our fore bearers have seen to that by triggering the largest extinction event the earth has seen as we moved out of Africa and around the globe. Things did not get better with the advent of the gun. When Europeans first brought guns to the Americas, flocks of passenger pigeons could be seen that were so large they would take 14hrs to pass by. It wasn't long before it was extinct, hunting and habitat loss. That is just one of thousands of examples of why there is a better way to manage land/food than in the wild with a gun. It is an image that will haunt me till I die. What if?

 

I think that we should let our obscurely perceived dominance and superiority slip away and let some of the natural systems that evolved long before us take the strain.

 

At the mo we farm fields without animals and rear animals without grass, that's why the supermarket trough is so poor, without that well reared deep flavour. And wild biodiversity is the keystone to it all. The gun has no place in that anymore, or at least, in the long term it hasn't. We are not the only apex predator, there is a web of life out there waiting to be exploited by our so called massive brains.

 

Let me explain.

 

Firstly you spend most of your life in an Office.

 

Then you conjure up invisible Wolves made from Lentils with poisonous Fangs that roam around in Packs.They dispatch Deer,Wild Pigs,Goats and sheep while they are asleep.Due to the poisonous bite the feral animals feel no pain,then devour the entire animal.

 

When the population of feral animals is extinct,the Wolves deconstruct themselves thus avoiding eating Farmers Livestock.

 

Its all very simple Tom.

 

Love it. For all the bad that can be said about shooting poor defenceless animals (overpopulated vandalising thieving poor fluffy animals) the very idea that our countryside would be better off without pest control is laughable. I recon that if you gave it 6 months in your dream world their would be public outcry about the lack of quality food on the table. And if you think intensively farmed meet is horrible then support your local shooting fraternity! We can provide you with endless cheap wild food that a lot of people think isn't good enough.

[Will Ayers]

I think you'd be best off starting a new thread on this topic as its probably falling on deaf ears here matey. Your entitled to your opinion but in the same way I don't go in to churches and tell them why I don't believe in god, I think it seems silly to come on this thread and tell people who shoot that they are dumb.

 

"sorry mate my ear defenders were down what was that? Don't shoot things! Ha not in my lifetime!"

[WorcsWuss]

They're doing us a good service pulling oil seed rape out of the ground!

 

See, it's all about perspective, and if it's is skewed from the start, it can be an uphill battle.

 

That's a bit of a half arsed argument, on the basis that pressed OSR makes a good home grown substitute to olive oil, thus having potential for reducing the production carbon footprint / food miles / dead moths etc.....

[DWOM]

Poor old moths ey.

 

Intensive ag and the plough are part of the problem. I would have thought considering thr forum we are on, there might be a few ideas on a more suitable approach.

 

Come on guys, I'm giving you the clues, but the responses so far tell me that I am dealing with the same old fingers in the ears, ingrained historical precedence that I have to deal with daily.

 

Shame, but like I said earlier, enjoy your whizz bang pop!

[WorcsWuss]

Good grief, have we got another Tony on downers here....?

Perhaps we're just not intelligent enough for the debate you're trying to encourage dwom.... We just want to look at pictures of guns here......

[DWOM]

I'm not talking about anybody's intelligence. As I've said, I'm talking about ingrained destructive behaviour being passed down through the generations. Someone above mentioned the church, well............

[Mike Hill]

A free spent case to the first person who can correctly name this Rifle!

 

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