This months Essential Arb - Cut and hold

[Dean Lofthouse]

Looking at this from a different perspective. Would your employees liability insurance pay out for an employee injured while cutting and throwing with a chainsaw, if it came to light that you as an employer didnt warn them about this potentially dangerous practice?

 

Who says it is dangerous

 

The HSE

 

or the Saw manufacturer

[skyhuck]

Who says it is dangerous

 

The HSE

 

or the Saw manufacturer

 

Dean, surely you agree that it is more dangerous than using it two handed.

[Dean Lofthouse]

Dean, surely you agree that it is more dangerous than using it two handed.

 

I honestly don't Dave, it's can be just as dangerous either way.

 

If your using it at arms length out to the side of you, it can kick back as much as it likes, it's not going to come anywhere near you.

 

I can see it being more dangerous if used close in, but I am talking about holding a branch and cutting out to the side, this is where training could teach when and where it is MORE dangerous

[Matthew Burton]

Who says it is dangerous

 

The HSE

 

or the Saw manufacturer

 

I said potentially dangerous which I think everyone on this thread has agreed. In the event of an injury I'd say its proven to be dangerous. This may be through pure stupidity but perhaps if the AFAG guidance had been followed they would have been using two hands and things would have been different all together. But I'd have thought any insurance firm would be more likely to pay out if everything was to 'the book'

[Heads up]

When i cut myself the chain was hardly turning. 2 cutters bit into my wrist. I was wearing gloves so the second cutter threw the saw away from my wrist. It was a bit of a mess but no major damage. I emphasise the chain was hardly moving. If it had been going any faster there would have been major damage. if you think you can switch off your saw faster than it can kick you are wrong my friend.

 

I agree man, its just one of thoose things that in my head works:blushing:

 

I dont think one handing is as bad as the blaise attitude that it can create

[ben lightfoot]

No when i cut my arm i was using the saw with two hands to knock the top out off a tree.....Ben i dont know you or how long you have been climbing for or where you where taught but........... you have to rember for people like myself. ie I am 30 years old and have been climbing for 15 years and very simply we where taught very differnty to how things are done today....for example i hardly attach a seond strop to cut (i guess we where taught to use our legs to help with better postitioning) i only ever use two hands on the saw if i cutting out a gob......and a accident it just that a accident. I belive in hard work and also to be completly honest i belive in taking a caculated risk for a reward (and i have had some good rewards and done well from this industry)....HOWEVER HAVING SAID THAT I AM ALSO VERY AWARE THAT I NEAD TO BE MORE FORWARD THINKING IN MY CLIMBING METHODS AND MOVE WITH THE TIMES...hence me joing this forum in a effort to gain knowledge and new skils...P.S excuse the spelling CBA to spell check. hope you take this the right way...thoughts plz

 

Hi butler i didn't mean to offend was a genuine question as i met you in tadley many years ago (think you were landscaping) and you showed us a scar on the forearm of a chainsaw related injury. just find it weird how you had an accident yet matt admits still cutting and holding would have thought it was a bit close to home to still be doing that after seeing what you must have gone through, that was the point i was making about you cutting yourself.

Edited January 9, 2011 by ben lightfoot
had to check summit before adding

[butler]

no no...no offence caused...so r u a two handed saw user

[ben lightfoot]

I am a two handed user i think the point is not whether you use one or two hands but cutting and holding the wood. I will use a saw one handed if the position arises but generally my work now is not on piece rate so a little more time can be taken on work positioning and the like

[butler]

i like the look of that saw.....any good?

[ben lightfoot]

its ok, does the job although could be better im looking forward to the new one when released. good times hopefully