threading the needle

[John Hancock]

This thread has kept me on Arbtalk for the whole evening - Damn you dadio, Damn You!!

[Lorry thompson]

The thread has got a bit hand bags at twenty paces:lol: I think sometimes people don't want to try new things cos they get told it's wrong or whatever but it's up to everyones self what they feel comfortable with, there is guidelines to stick to and most should but some people understand and work timber better than others ever will but they know when to use these techniques and when not to, everybody should just do what they feel comfortable doing and not worry what others do

[treemeup]

The thread has got a bit hand bags at twenty paces:lol:

 

I'm exhausted!

[Andy Collins]

First and foremost, this is a discussion forum, where we discuss all topics freely and openly, without fear or favour. Of course, we are never all going to agree on everything we see or read here, it would make for very boring and short threads. What I dont wish to see, is personal jibes, by all means dissect and comment on the pros and cons of the techniques in the vids, but turning the content into a bitchfest is not acceptable, from any quarter.

We, as professionals, should be able to pick and choose which techniques are appropriate, or indeed inappropriate for use in the field, and maybe in future Dadio could include something in his thread title to make it clear to novices that these are not suitable for use by the inexperienced?

[lendahand]

In the last video I would argue that what we are seeing is nothing new at all. A guy felling a tree at 12 ft would have been acceptable; up until the advent of basic H&S, the only differences are they are using modern kit IE. mewp, chainsaws, loader instead of double handed saws, planks and axes. Things have moved on over this side of the Atlantic, we have just as modern kit here but we have better training and more modern methods of work. Lets not look backwards, but forwards and encourage others to modernise and improve their training.

[treemeup]

Would there be scope in a nptc felling a tree from a mewp course, or is felling a tree off the ground just a nono?

 

where is the difference in knocking the top out of a tree and felling a tree? and is there a height we shouldn't fell tops out from say between 0 and 20ft?

[lendahand]

Would there be scope in a nptc felling a tree from a mewp course, or is felling a tree off the ground just a nono?

 

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Yeah good points: Any IPAF course will state that you cannot do these things, like cutting sections, that would take you above a SWL. typically 200kg. or it may topple the machine over. The best bet is to nibble away at the crown and piece it down, not so spectacular though.

A Guy weighs roughly 100kg plus tools, saw harness etc. I would still only cut pieces around 20-30kg then that would give you a margin of error allowing for snatching etc. I'm not sure what a nptc instructor would say, it would be interesting to hear from them.

[josharb87]

why isnt it this felling from 12ft acceptable???

 

so it would have pleased h&s more for 2 guys to be in a mewp all day, reaching out of a mewp, step cutting small sub 15kg pieces moving the basket to chuck into the dropzone, where more manual handeling would have had to take place.

 

or

 

dadio's way, using basic felling techniques to fell an evenly weighted tree, slight lean compensated by 2 pretensioned pulling lines into a clear area then use machines to deal with the lifting where i doubt anyone broke out in a sweat all day

[Dean Lofthouse]

We have felled some big manky half rotten Oaks today in a small woodland using techniques definately not in the good practice guidelines, and knocked some big tops out off spikes and rolling them off other trees whilst having to dive out the way of their twist

 

But the last thing I would do is make a video of what I did and post it passing it off as they way to do it.

 

To do or carry out unorthodox techniques involves quite a bit of experience and understanding of wood, wind, momentum, stresses, reactions etc etc etc which I believe is why these techniques should be taught over time through apprenticeship, not from a video made on a shoestring that doesn't and cannot go into detail

[treemeup]

whats ifaf?