vt failure causes bad fall

[White Noise]

Not if used properly.

 

Yeah I can see where your coming from . When its working its a winner . But it does require a tickle from time to time and for me with years on the prussik it was a shock to say the least when she failed to grab . And I really put the knot to a lot of testing before she was allowed to go to work . If people are going to use this knot then it would be cool if you as a user would explain which is your preference friction cord for use with a certain rope etc etc .

[jojam]

Not if used properly.

 

Very true frank,it has it's disadvantages but then very quickly you learn them and subsequently avoid them.I've converted 3 climbers to it now and have told them the disadvantages before the advantages and they through learning how to use it with that knowledge would never go back to the ''prussic''

[Frank]

I weigh different from other people so it would be hard to say. At the moment I am using 11mm Yale blaze and 11.7mm Tachyon both ropes have Lyros Runner friction cord. 4 wraps and 3 braids. The lyros cord lays sorta flat against the rope giving a really tight grab, but i have also had great success with 8mm ocean poly on both ropes and 8mm Roblon and 8mm Sirius.

I always configure with 4 wraps and 3 braids with a set length of cord, (which I cant remember off hand, wrote on workshop wall)

[White Noise]

Very true frank,it has it's disadvantages but then very quickly you learn them and subsequently avoid them.I've converted 3 climbers to it now and have told them the disadvantages before the advantages and they through learning how to use it with that knowledge would never go back to the ''prussic''

 

Youve probably hit the nail on the head there jojam . Pros and cons need to be explained before use of this knot . Most people I asume would just dress the knot as per pictures from the net or a book and in doing so treat it like any other friction hitch . Still not for me as I would not be able to work at 100% while also watching the hitch .

[jojam]

i weigh 15stone and climb om yale fire 13mm with 8mm cord,3 and 3 works well for me but on my new england fly i need same as you FRANK 4 AND 3,

[White Noise]

I weigh different from other people so it would be hard to say. At the moment I am using 11mm Yale blaze and 11.7mm Tachyon both ropes have Lyros Runner friction cord. 4 wraps and 3 braids. The lyros cord lays sorta flat against the rope giving a really tight grab, but i have also had great success with 8mm ocean poly on both ropes and 8mm Roblon and 8mm Sirius.

I always configure with 4 wraps and 3 braids with a set length of cord, (which I cant remember off hand, wrote on workshop wall)

 

Cheers this should prove useful to any potential VT user

[Frank]

heres some piccywicks

First is my old setup which i only swapped through boredom and wanting different coloured cord haha

Second is my new favourite (the tight biter) runs smoothly but grips instantly.

[Dean Lofthouse]

Shouldn't that braid alternate Frank, top leg over top of lower braid then under then over, you've got over, under under

[Frank]

The leg that comes from the top always stays under through the braids.

[Dean Lofthouse]

The leg that comes from the top always stays under through the braids.

 

Owen (Treeworker) explained something like that to me once, couldn't remember though