Short ropes

[Ian H]

its 50/50 whether to get a splice or not, its just they cost so much, unless someone on here would splice it for me if i was going to not get a splice, id buy an extra metre to make up for the lost length tying the bowline, but i dont suppose it matters?

 

Hi Rob don't want to de-rail your thread but did you get taught to use bowline at college? only i read that it shouldn't be used as a climbing knot 'cos it can't cinch onto your karabiner and may allow biner to rotate and possibly open gate(same prob with figure 8) or put strain in wrong direction, suggested popular alternative is double fishermans, easy to tie and grips but still unties, others are available:thumbup1:

 

Can anybody else confirm this?

[arbclimber]

Hi Rob don't want to de-rail your thread but did you get taught to use bowline at college? only i read that it shouldn't be used as a climbing knot 'cos it can't cinch onto your karabiner and may allow biner to rotate and possibly open gate(same prob with figure 8) or put strain in wrong direction, suggested popular alternative is double fishermans, easy to tie and grips but still unties, others are available:thumbup1:

 

Can anybody else confirm this?

 

I was taught bowline at college.

[RobRainford]

Hi Rob don't want to de-rail your thread but did you get taught to use bowline at college? only i read that it shouldn't be used as a climbing knot 'cos it can't cinch onto your karabiner and may allow biner to rotate and possibly open gate(same prob with figure 8) or put strain in wrong direction, suggested popular alternative is double fishermans, easy to tie and grips but still unties, others are available:thumbup1:

 

Can anybody else confirm this?

 

i had my own gear before i started at college so used my own, always climbed on a splice, when i use the other end i use a bowline, but to prevent improper loading its just a simple glance every now and again. i could easily use a double fishermans.

 

i think ill probably end up getting a splice, simply because it is easier and stronger than a knot.

[Ian H]

i had my own gear before i started at college so used my own, always climbed on a splice, when i use the other end i use a bowline, but to prevent improper loading its just a simple glance every now and again. i could easily use a double fishermans.

 

i think ill probably end up getting a splice, simply because it is easier and stronger than a knot.

 

Cool:thumbup:

[alex_m]

had a 10m marlow for fruit trees etc, but it's now a 4m marlow after putting my silky through half of it

[Peter]

its 50/50 whether to get a splice or not, its just they cost so much, unless someone on here would splice it for me if i was going to not get a splice, id buy an extra metre to make up for the lost length tying the bowline, but i dont suppose it matters?

 

Eh? A splice cost £20, how is that expensive? You'll get back £20 in time not spent tying and untying knots, plus the satisfaction of having the right tool for the job.

[ad15]

why is a splice the right tool and a knot the wrong tool?

 

there's nothing wrong with a knot at all.....

[alex_m]

why is a splice the right tool and a knot the wrong tool?

 

there's nothing wrong with a knot at all.....

 

a splice will go through (almost) any crotch when retrieving, but the only way to get a bowline etc through most crotches, is to untie and then retie...

 

i for one would never have the patience for that, plus you can't really use a knot with hitchclimber + vt.

[morten]

... you can't really use a knot with hitchclimber + vt.

 

Agree with that. It is generally unsafe to have a knot (of any type) with a hitchclimber/VT setup, since it may catch the VT and prevent it from gripping.

 

This, in my opinion, is the prime reason for using a spliced/sewn eye.

[Treeson]

I climb on a bowline and have for about 3 years. I tie it with a double loop which is purely for my piece of mind.

Sure it occasionally catches on the vt but I just tie it so the bar is on the opposite side.

I started with a 50m rope then got bored of hauling all that unused rope through a crotch so just cut it at about 30m so now I have a 30 and a 20m.

Next rope I will probably go for a splice but mines still got some life in it.