first steps

[scotspine1]

a split tail climbing system with a blakes (working end of line attached to biner by spliced eye, split tail by double fishermans) but no slack tending micro pulley.

 

with a micropulley attached to the working end of your climbing line with the pulley below the blakes, to advance it automatically as you pull in on the line. I can imagine it saving my elbows over time although might be a bit annoying when lowering oneself or letting out some slack for limb walking.

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Is this the kind of set up your talking about Jim?

 

[igottacabstar]

The work at height regs 2005 relating to arboriculture state that only 3 way self locking biners should be used for climbing attachment.

 

The dealers that are advertising screwgates for climbing cant be taken seriously as credible arb dealers.

 

???? Buxtons, Honey Bros, Stanton Hope - they're definitely serious players in the supply of arb equipment in the uk.

[ecolojim]

wow, i nip off down the pub and look what ive caused!

 

think i'll be ordering a good few 3ways then. any advice on which? I seem to remember a petzl one recalled due to the ball in the lock jamming?

 

Tim, exactly the same as that except I dont have the pulley for slack tending. At this juncture I havent found my slack rope to be getting in my way particularly, but I'm sure I will eventually.

 

intrigueingly, in that picture, the split tail looks to be of greater diameter than the main climbing line?? I thought it should be the same or less generally?

 

When someone suggested using the tail end of the rope as a secondary tie in, Im assuming just deploy it when in the tree as I would a second seperate rope for secondary tie in. as a second DRT system. How would I do this? It's confusing me (could be the beer) since the length of it would be dependant on the length of the primary tie-in wouldnt it?

 

would I therefore 'tie in' to both ends of the rope, with friction hitches on the corresponding 'other side of the rope' thus leaving a 'bight' of slack between the two DRT systems?

 

thanks again guys

[scotspine1]

???? Buxtons, Honey Bros, Stanton Hope - they're definitely serious players in the supply of arb equipment in the uk.

 

They might shift a lot of units, but there not serious dealers like Treeworker or Treesunlimited.

[igottacabstar]

They might shift a lot of units, but there not serious dealers like Treeworker or Treesunlimited.

 

Take a look at Treesunlimited when you've got a minute - they sell ISC style crabs for climbing with a screwlock gate. Then take a look at companies house - no mention of the afore mentioned, hardly a serious dealer!!

[scotspine1]

wow, i nip off down the pub and look what ive caused!

 

think i'll be ordering a good few 3ways then. any advice on which? I seem to remember a petzl one recalled due to the ball in the lock jamming?

 

Tim, exactly the same as that except I dont have the pulley for slack tending. At this juncture I havent found my slack rope to be getting in my way particularly, but I'm sure I will eventually.

 

intrigueingly, in that picture, the split tail looks to be of greater diameter than the main climbing line?? I thought it should be the same or less generally?

 

When someone suggested using the tail end of the rope as a secondary tie in, Im assuming just deploy it when in the tree as I would a second seperate rope for secondary tie in. as a second DRT system. How would I do this? It's confusing me (could be the beer) since the length of it would be dependant on the length of the primary tie-in wouldnt it?

 

would I therefore 'tie in' to both ends of the rope, with friction hitches on the corresponding 'other side of the rope' thus leaving a 'bight' of slack between the two DRT systems?

 

thanks again guys

 

Jim,

 

Being able to use both ends of your rope is a good skill to have and it works just like you described but its not the most efficient way to move and work in a tree. Personally I would learn how to do it then move onto using a lanyard or flipline for your 2nd tie in point. This allows you to advance your main line while staying tied in and also provides the 2nd attachment point when cutting.

[scotspine1]

Take a look at Treesunlimited when you've got a minute - they sell ISC style crabs for climbing with a screwlock gate. Then take a look at companies house - no mention of the afore mentioned, hardly a serious dealer!!

 

At no point on their website do Treesunlimited say that the screwgates are for climbing. Maybe they need to follow the example of Treeworker who dont stock a single screwgate biner.

 

In fact all the arb dealers should follow Treeworker's example of not selling screwgate biners. Treeworker are obviously miles ahead when it comes to knowing the practicalities/leglislation of arb equipment.

 

As for not being mentioned at companies house, your having a laugh aint you? Since when was being registered with companies house the sign of a reputable business? ha ha.

[skyhuck]

Being Ltd is in no way a sign that you are a big player,if any thing you could argue its the opposite as being ltd means you are not putting your own assets at risk if the Co fails,which doesn't show a great deal of confidence in the Co.

[Steve Bullman]

???? Buxtons, Honey Bros, Stanton Hope - they're definitely serious players in the supply of arb equipment in the uk.

 

ok then, phone them up and ask them what they are selling those krabs to be used for

[skyhuck]

I think the thing to bare in mind is that as well as screw gates not being safe (which I think most of us who have used them for long periods in the past would agree)they are not good to use,they tend to lock up ,so you find your self struggling to open them especially in the cold.

Once I had changed to twist lock there was no way I would have gone back to screw gate.