Would you buy a 365 xtorq over a modern equivilent

[Echo]

9 hours ago, Stubby said:

Its to do with manufacturing tolerances against cost . 

Porters can only cut squish and base, theres no reason the saw makers cant to the same, most of this is automated, it should be possible to measure bores and actually finish a piston to suit that bore, there are not a lot of moving parts in a chainsaw.

Edited November 8, 2020 by Echo

[Stubby]

1 minute ago, Echo said:

, it should be possible to measure bores and actually finish a piston to suit that bore there are not a lot of moving parts in a chainsaw.

The above is the cost bit . I never said it was not possible .

[Echo]

Just now, Stubby said:

The above is the cost bit . I never said it was not possible .

Well yes, but these guys have state of the art machinery to begin with,

am sure it is calibrated regurally once a certain threshold is reached.

I think poor tolerances are something that the chinese clones should only

have issues with, not manufacturers who have been doing if for 50 years.

 

Maybe am just old school, if its worth doing its worth doing right kind of mindset.

 

[Stubby]

5 minutes ago, Echo said:

Porters can only cut squish and base, theres no reason the saw makers cant to the same, most of this is automated, it should be possible to measure bores and actually finish a piston to suit that bore, there are not a lot of moving parts in a chainsaw.

You can " blue print " any engine from selected production parts but this all adds to the cost and time . Because it is not viable to do this cost wise manufacturing tollanences have to be opened up slightly to allow for random assembly . Hence not everything is nessaserily  at its optimum  .

[Echo]

3 minutes ago, Stubby said:

You can " blue print " any engine from selected production parts but this all adds to the cost and time . Because it is not viable to do this cost wise manufacturing tollanences have to be opened up slightly to allow for random assembly . Hence not everything is nessaserily  at its optimum  .

The chainsaw really has not changed in ages, I imagine with the modern technology, computerised control and automation should be able to manufacture and bring together complimenting components into kits to be assembled, anyone remember the colour coded cam shafts and bearings, there is really no reason for such anymore.

Edited November 8, 2020 by Echo

[Stubby]

3 minutes ago, Echo said:

 

 

Maybe am just old school, if its worth doing its worth doing right kind of mindset.

 

I hear you but they ( the manufactures ) are in business , to make a profit . If they did what you suggest a , say Husqvarna 562 would cost considerably more to buy  and then they might not get the same return .

[Stubby]

1 minute ago, Echo said:

The chainsaw really has not changed in ages, I imagine with the modern technology,

computerised control and automation should be able to manufacture and bring together

complimenting componts into kits to be assembled, anyone remember the colour coded

cam shafts and bearings, there is really no reason for such anymore.

Again . cost . and yes you can " imagine it " but imagination is free .

Edited November 8, 2020 by Stubby

[Echo]

2 minutes ago, Stubby said:

Again . cost . and yes you can " imagine it " but imagination is free .

Well if I can imagine it the manufacturers certainy should be able to,

and deliver the tolerances required.

Granted they do a great job, but there is room for improvement.

[Stubby]

Just now, Echo said:

Well if I can imagine it the manufacturers certainy should be able to,

and deliver the tolerances required.

Granted they do a great job, but there is room for improvement.

FMdead . I know , I know ! Its COST .   You persuade them , please !

[bmp01]

And how do you imagine you'd deal with a service shop repair where the replacement piston comes from a batch that was significantly different to the original batch ?

Or how would you get over saws running on pi55 poor fuel (low octane) when all the saws come pre-tuned from the factory ?

Plus a million other exceptions to the saw being run in its correct operating window. 

 

The thing is the manufacturers have been at it for a little while,  they've done a few iterations by now and they know where they are in terms of tolerances,  performance vs risk etc. They've forgotten more than you or I imagine we know. 

And no doubt they'll  continue to hone the product with each new iteration for the end user to marvel at, not forgetting they are in the game of competing to sell better kit at each model change and at an economic price.