Would you buy a 365 xtorq over a modern equivilent

[MattyF]

I think you / we are all lucky it doesnt scream like the 560, it revs plenty from my
experience with the nutter who started one for me in the Stihl shop yesterday, it
is difficult to cut hardwood with a saw that revs too high, it makes it want to hop,
better off with a normal speed and good torque.

Hmm I’ve cut quite a bit with 50’s and 60’s and it’s never bothered me , as forestry production saws I don’t think they can be faulted, never really liked the 361’s or 34’s but did miss the 262xp but not the 266xp .. any way I guess it’s a personnel thing .. I miss that scream on the 400 to the point I thought an exhaust mod might let me like it a bit more but on opening it up there was nothing in the exhaust to mod !
Glad I gave you some happy memories Steve! I don’t think you where that happy to get a 372 in bits that I’d tried to rebuild [emoji23]

[Echo]

I will never understand why speed is so critical to some.

Its only going to be held there for a very short time until it gets

pulled down under load and that is where torque is important.

Torque is also important for pulling through tight spots when

you alsmost dont make it, and get your bar pinched.

Reliability also suffers with speed, bearings start to slide instead

of role, more clearance is needed, and high grade lubricating systems

employed, adding more lube on its own will only cause it to build up

like a wall in front of the bearing and make it slide.

 

There is a reason Husqvarna and Stihl and Echo and Makita dont make outright screamers,

some tried, and lots of people had lots of trouble because of it.

Edited November 7, 2020 by Echo

[Echo]

The Ghosting I mention is not evident in Makita or Echo or Husky

stratified saws, it seems to be a Stihl thing.

Edited November 7, 2020 by Echo

[spudulike]

18 minutes ago, MattyF said:

Glad I gave you some happy memories Steve! I don’t think you where that happy to get a 372 in bits that I’d tried to rebuild

I think it was the way you clattered the crank when all the case retaining screws weren't out and only a day before I finished making my now well used crank splitter! Dont think Brownies were much use either!!!! Lucky I had a spare crank...happy days!

[MattyF]

I will never understand why speed is so critical to some.
Its only going to be held there for a very short time until it gets
pulled down under load and that is where torque is important.
Torque is also important for pulling through tight spots when
you alsmost dont make it, and get your bar pinched.
Reliability also suffers with speed, bearings start to slide instead
of role, more clearance is needed, and high grade lubricating systems
employed, adding more lube on its own will only cause it to build up
like a wall in front of the bearing and make it slide.
 
There is a reason Husqvarna and Stihl and Echo and Makita dont make outright screamers,
some tried, and lots of people had lots of trouble because of it.

Fair enough, I’ve been cutting racks of soft wood and a rack a head by lunch , swapped saws and the other guy took the 560 and was nearly caught up by home time... that’s why I like them , it keeps you alert I find and more productive, you have to move with the speed of the saw... now in hard woods it is slightly more different and the control of the 400 is noticeable as you say with chain skip and it has plenty of torque but again chain speed is not a bad thing depending on the operator.

[Stubby]

2 minutes ago, MattyF said:

Fair enough, I’ve been cutting racks of soft wood and a rack a head by lunch , swapped saws and the other guy took the 560 and was nearly caught up by home time... that’s why I like them , it keeps you alert I find and more productive, you have to move with the speed of the saw... now in hard woods it is slightly more different and the control of the 400 is noticeable as you say with chain skip and it has plenty of torque but again chain speed is not a bad thing depending on the operator.

This .

[spudulike]

Just depends on the sort of work you are doing. Most customers like ported saws as it gives them a far better chance of making a clean safe cut and forestry customers like the higher productivity as per Matts comments plus the benefits of using a lighter saw to do heavier work.

I have done hundreds of 150s as the owners can leave the 201/200s in the truck and let the tiddler saw do the work.

It just depends on what you need, some pick up a tool and think how fast can this tool go, others think I hope it will last, seems OK, hope it lasts!

[Echo]

Very true, some want long life.

And as mentioned above softer wood is a great place for more speed.

Ported saws definitely have a place in the hands of busy cutters,

lighter too than moving up in models, annoying the manufacturers cant

send them out making max power from the get go.

[Stubby]

9 hours ago, Echo said:

 annoying the manufacturers cant

send them out making max power from the get go.

Its to do with manufacturing tolerances against cost . 

[spudulike]

1 hour ago, Stubby said:

Its to do with manufacturing tolerances against cost . 

Probably more to do with the manufacturers having to maintain certain levels of noise and emissions although some major running issues have been caused by engine or muffler design.