7.5 ton iveco

[Justme]

41 minutes ago, openspaceman said:

This is why I abandoned the idea before, so the plated weight of the trailer will need to be 5000kg, even though only 4 tonnes on the axles, in which case a post 13 licence can never use it.

 

What threw me was your saying the  drawbar nose weight was never checked for over loading if all the axle weights were okay.

 

 

Sorry crossed wires here. On a pre 2013 the plate can have any weight. The nose won't be weighed but if its over the axle would be over too.

 

for licences using plate or doc weights

Pre 2013 vehicle plated up to 3500kg. Trailer any plate

Post 2013 vehicle plated up to 3500 and trailer plated up to 3500.

 

For c& u using real weight 

No axle can be over its limit

No vehicle (car of trailer) can be over its mam/ mlpm

No combination can be over the GTW / gcw

[openspaceman]

8 hours ago, Justme said:

Pre 2013 vehicle plated up to 3500kg. Trailer any plate

Post 2013 vehicle plated up to 3500 and trailer plated up to 3500.

 

Yes this is what scuppers the idea for anyone taking the trailer test after 13, it's the plated weight of the trailer has to be 5000kg, still a good plan for anyone having a trailer entitlement over 750kg before that if they have a 3tonne lump to move.

[Justme]

20 minutes ago, openspaceman said:

Yes this is what scuppers the idea for anyone taking the trailer test after 13, it's the plated weight of the trailer has to be 5000kg, still a good plan for anyone having a trailer entitlement over 750kg before that if they have a 3tonne lump to move.

Why does the plated weight have to be 5000kg?

With a 5th wheel trailer

 

3500kg plated vehicle

3500kg plated trailer

vehicle actually weighs 2000kg inc fuel & driver so is allowed 1500kg load.

Trailer actually weighs 1500kg so is allowed 2000kg load.

 

Total load on trailer 3500kg

[Justme]

The only people that can tow a trailer plated to 5000kg are pre 19-01-2013 BE holders or C1E (without 107 restriction so no pre 01-01-1997 licences unless they took the test) or CE holders.

 

 

[donnk]

On 06/02/2018 at 12:18, Justme said:

Donnk

 

Read this post from our local police. It clearly says that the rear axle load must be withing the vehicles total weight limits.

 

 

 

yes obvious from the photo the tug was full of crap.

 

Wouldnt have been an issue with a B+E setup though. all the weight would have been in trailer.

[Justme]

Donnk,

 

Read this link.

 

http://www.transportoffice.gov.uk/crt/repository/CONT067324.pdf

 

What precautions should I take when towing a trailer? Towing a trailer puts greater demand on the vehicle and the driver. Information on acceptable trailer towing weights can be found in vehicle handbooks. You should ensure that: • The vehicle does not exceed either the Gross Vehicle Weight (GVW) or the Gross Train Weight (GTW). The GVW is the maximum permitted weight of the vehicle (plus any load it is carrying), while the GTW is the maximum permitted weight of the vehicle plus any trailer being towed (plus any load being carried in the vehicle and trailer);

 

Any weight transferred to the vehicle by the trailer is an applied load so counts as vehicle weight. It is not magically lost.

[donnk]

1 hour ago, Justme said:

Donnk,

 

Read this link.

 

http://www.transportoffice.gov.uk/crt/repository/CONT067324.pdf

 

 

 

 

Any weight transferred to the vehicle by the trailer is an applied load so counts as vehicle weight. It is not magically lost.

yes obviously. You have the trailer designed not to transfer more than needed same as hgv setups. a la mini artic.

 

there are a couple of these setups in London can deliver 5 packs(6 ton) of bricks pulled by a daily. Gets around the socailst LEV tax. The look like low loader trailer with all the weight over 2 axles.

 

 

[Justme]

1 hour ago, donnk said:

yes obviously. You have the trailer designed not to transfer more than needed same as hgv setups. a la mini artic.

 

there are a couple of these setups in London can deliver 5 packs(6 ton) of bricks pulled by a daily. Gets around the socailst LEV tax. The look like low loader trailer with all the weight over 2 axles.

 

 

 

 

Yes but that was not your claim.

 

You claim was to de rate a larger vehicle MAM to 3500kg, Keep the higher rear axle loading to take the trailer weight even if that put the total vehicles weight over 3500kg.

 

Not sure how you can get a 6 tonne load on a trailer plated to 3500kg as that would be an applied load of at least 3 tonnes due to the trailers actual weight too.

 

Or they hold pre 97 BE, still need active brakes but can have a lower applied load.

 

Not enough detail in your post to comment on specifics.

 

Or are you running air or elec brakes?

[donnk]

18 hours ago, Justme said:

 

 

Yes but that was not your claim.

 

You claim was to de rate a larger vehicle MAM to 3500kg, Keep the higher rear axle loading to take the trailer weight even if that put the total vehicles weight over 3500kg.

 

Not sure how you can get a 6 tonne load on a trailer plated to 3500kg as that would be an applied load of at least 3 tonnes due to the trailers actual weight too.

 

Or they hold pre 97 BE, still need active brakes but can have a lower applied load.

 

Not enough detail in your post to comment on specifics.

 

Or are you running air or elec brakes?

You have proven they changed the axle weights ?

 

Your link mentioned nothing about them.