amicide

[skyhuck]

If roundup was of the hazard implied the use as a cut stump treatment would not be approved on the label.

 

According to "current" thinking!

 

They used to think smoking was "good for you"!!

[Dave.G.]

Paulsbrash

 

We seem to be talking at cross-purposes, when in fact I think we are largely in agreement. My intention was not to debate the usefulness or otherwise of methods of stump killing, but rather to highlight the requirements placed upon us, as professionals, to work within legal constraints. The Pesticides Safety Directorate states that all pesticides must be approved for use. (The word 'pesticide' is used to encompass all 'cidal' chemicals, including herbicides, insecticides, fungicides etc.) Where substances not specifically designated as pesticides are used within that context, their use is covered by the 'Commodity' guidelines. Salt used to be covered by these, but had its approval revoked some years ago.

 

Books like 'Silent Spring' highlighted the desperate need for the use of agrochemicals to be regulated. Hence the amount of legislation we now work within. We do not need to give ammunition to outside bodies, who may be looking at this forum, to be able to accuse us of behaving irresponsibly, or not adhering to rules already set.

 

The PSD website can be accessed via defra's homepage. Also useful is 'Extoxnet', from Cornell University in Michigan. As a point of interest, high numbers of bird fatalities have been linked to salt use on roads. While it has long been thought that this is simply down to them being run over, it is now considered likely that salt toxicity may also be to blame. The only reason we use salt to keep roads clear of ice is that we can't find anything cheaper. If anyone doubts the harm caused by salt, just take a look at the grass verges in spring.

 

I hope that this doesn't sound too angry. I can't help but resent being accused of making statements that are 'poorly researched or debateable'.

[David oakman]

The forester is running out of things to use, as said must not use diesel atrazine and simazine gone, faramon brush wood killer gone and in the chemicle store i have a box of kerb granules now also not to be used that leaves glyphosate or a few more that don't work, mind you 6 years ago i phoned the forestry commission to ask what they used and they said round-up for all jobs:001_smile:

[skyhuck]

Paulsbrash

 

 

I hope that this doesn't sound too angry. I can't help but resent being accused of making statements that are 'poorly researched or debateable'.

 

I would HOPE that ALL who post on here a would WANT to have their posts "debated"! Is that not the whole point ??

 

And to suggest that anyone is going to find them selfs prosecuted for the use of salt is quite frankly a joke!, only my opinion.

[Dave.G.]

The forester is running out of things to use, as said must not use diesel atrazine and simazine gone, faramon brush wood killer gone and in the chemicle store i have a box of kerb granules now also not to be used that leaves glyphosate or a few more that don't work, mind you 6 years ago i phoned the forestry commission to ask what they used and they said round-up for all jobs:001_smile:

 

Has Kerb been taken off the list?? if it has i missed it. I cant get on the PSD site at the min.

[David oakman]

It is not so much being prosecuted it is about you as a person if you know something is wrong do you go ahead and do it or not, for example would you fell a tree with birds nesting or bats roosting or dig up a stump with red data list lichen on it,i hope not the same with chemicles if we are told not to use we should have the sense to comply.A friend of mine a farm labourer who sprayed burnt the inside of his nose and lost his sense of smell then he had cancer of the bowel, then lungs then spine then he died aged 54 one month before a dream holiday to australia. we all do some things we should not but we should think hard on the advise given.

[David oakman]

Has Kerb been taken off the list?? if it has i missed it. I cant get on the PSD site at the min.

 

Yes so the farm manager has just told me i think he said july i will have to check and post:001_smile:

[skyhuck]

It is not so much being prosecuted it is about you as a person if you know something is wrong do you go ahead and do it or not, for example would you fell a tree with birds nesting or bats roosting or dig up a stump with red data list lichen on it,i hope not the same with chemicles if we are told not to use we should have the sense to comply.

 

 

I totally agree!

 

But I would be happier to use salt than some "legal" products, the powers that be are by no means aways right!

 

When using salt I always cover the stump with black polythene any way, so birds should not have a problem.

[David oakman]

i also agree if i remember amicide used to say drill holes in the stumps fill with amicide and cover with stones,just a shame for the spiders.

[skyhuck]

Spiders like salt!

 

Have you ever tried eating a fly without salt? YUCK!!