Youngstu

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Sorry Gareth, didn't have time to respond properly. I was just a bit confused at you saying that you shave and wash regularly because you were given a slap as a kid if you didn't, not my upbringing or parenting style, or one I'd recognise was the right way to go. Maybe that upbringing of yours explains a few things?

If the cap fits... Just in case you weren't sure, a simple google gives this definition: bigotry /ˈbɪɡətri/ noun noun: bigotry; plural noun: bigotries obstinate or unreasonable attachment to a belief, opinion, or faction, in particular prejudice against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group. "the difficulties of combating prejudice and bigotry" h Similar: prejudice bias partiality partisanship sectarianism chauvinism discrimination unfairness injustice intolerance narrow-mindedness fanaticism dogmatism racism racialism sexism homophobia h Opposite: tolerance

I consider myself properly reprimanded and promise never to call jd out on his intolerance and bigotry ever again again.

I'm sorry Dave but you've completely missed the point again. It's not about convincing you that there are more than two genders or biological sexes or whatever you want to call it, I wouldn't expect that to happen. I don't necessarily believe that myself in scientific terms, but if someone wants to identify as something different to how they were born, I couldn't care less. It's basically about not being a cnut to someone whose probably already had a pretty hard time of it, essentially about chosing to be kind in a situation as opposed to insisting on being "right" when there's nothing to gain from taking that position.

You're right Dave, I don't know you and you don't know me. But over the years I've been on here, I've gathered that despite your protests when called out on various issues and endlessly going on about your own character or others' lack of character, you come across as an angry, intolerant person. This latest interaction has confirmed that, and if it's all true on your part, it seems that you really are a nasty piece of work who has no respect for the decisions and choices of others if they don't fit with your own world view and values.

Or just defend the point you tried to make!

Or by using a similarly flawed logic, there have been teachers, scout leaders, priests, doctors etc etc who have used their position to get close to children for their own pleasure therefore we should get rid of them. Or people learn to box or do martial arts and use those skills to beat others up, so we'd better stop all that happening. Or there have been soldiers, policemen, security guards who commit domestic abuse so they need to be stopped too. Or alcohol is a major cause of many types of violence and other disorder so that should be banned outright. Conscription? if that was to come back over here, should that only apply to men? if so why? In Israel from what I understad it applies to everyone unless they are exempt for some particular reason such as particularly orthodox forms of judaism. I don't think low level theft should be ignored at all, but at which point is prison appropriate, what is the deciding factor, value, threat of violence or what? as they're full anyway and there has to be a deciding line, to justice system is in a bad place so maybe they need to look at a variety of other things that could be ignored, maybe decriminalisation of drug use or even legalisation across the board to remove the criminal element and help raise some taxes?! Maybe if a choice or behaviour doesn't cause harm to others, where that continues to be the case those involved should be left to it and everyone else should mind their own business, every case being treated individually if and when considered necessary?

not sure where I said anything about prisons or even the police! I was talking about respecting decisions in day to day life as opposed to being intentionally offensive to that person.

Not really the best of arguments for not respecting the decisions and wishes of another person! One extreme example doesn't mean it's the same for everyone, believe it or not! If everything you say there is true, you really are not a very pleasant, kind or respectful person, unless people have the same views and values as you.

So if you had a family member, or a good friend, or one of their children who decided that they weren't who they originally were and chose a different name and gender that they wished to be recognised and addressed by, you would point blank refuse to do that to their face, despite that being their wish and that of those supporting them? I'm not asking about when you're talking about them to others, but actually to their face.

I think it's really more about respect, empathy and kindness. From a personal perspective I think religious beliefs are essentially a load of waddle and brainwashing, but even though I think that, I don't feel the need to tell friends, colleagues or others that what they think is wrong in my opinion. If they individually are doing no harm with their beliefs and practises, respect their choices and leave them be. Out of interest have you been in a position where you refuse to use a person's chosen name or outwardly refuse to respect their gender choice, or is it at this stage hypothetical bluster?

Go on then Gareth, as you seem to have made it further than the first paragraph that your mate got to before seeing red and getting typically defensive, please do elaborate on what you think is shite and why. But I am glad that you recognise that being gay isn't something new..

This is exactly the point I was trying to make to you!

This might be a long one, so let's start with the first paragraph of your outburst: Discussing the issues with your child with an open mind to what they have heard or feel could lead to some interesting discussions and the opportunity to express why you feel the way you do without just dismissing what they have heard from elsewhere as "crap". This particular topic wasn't about this issue being right wing, that's just a massive amount of the other stuff you post on here, and presumably subject your children to, but your absolute dismissal of these things comes across as angry and is intolerant. There are so many factors influencing young people's mental health and some of the most influential are living up to the expectations of others and feeling that they can't be as good/attractive/strong/clever/successful etc as they feel they should be, whether that's based on the influence of their peers and role models, be they friends, family or others they know of through media etc. Is pandering to them really the reason for the mental health issues, there are a fair few people in society of our generation whose mental health issues are undeniably caused primarily by the dismissal and oppression of those feelings about themselves that weren't "acceptable" at home, or at the time and the experiences that they had because of it, whether it was intollerance, dismissal, humiliation, physical violence or whatever they experienced because of their differences. "BS first world manufactured problem" - You say a lot about all of the places that you've been in the world, so I'd expect you to know that the LGBTQ and trans thing is far from just a 1st world thing! No I don't think that those in my family (and similarly in the familes of others) are right and I'm wrong, I think that they are uninformed and unwilling to see that their viewpoint is outdated and they need to reeducate themselves. There's that age old response of there weren't all those gays/trans/lesbians etc back then, so why are there now? (normally given as a statement as opposed to a question that they want answering!) The clearest answer in reality is to do with the changes in the law and ways that people can't be discriminated against. When the country was much more homophobic, people who were gay and didn't want to either be beaten up or abused for it, or pretend they were something else would move away to more tolerant areas like Brighton, London or other places where they could be themselves without judgement and with a support network from others who understood and accepted them for being them. Now people can be openly gay/trans etc without the same level of fear that they would have had in the past. It is absolutely about respecting an individual to accept what they believe to be true as being true for them. They may make a decision, go through an assortment of procedures and stick with their decision until they dies, or they may change their mind a few years down the line, the latter bit is why the powers that be have prevented young people from being able to access puberty blockers and undergo surgery until they are older, but if you've ever witnessed the effects of the mental turmoil of a teen who is considered to have body dismorphia and is doing what they can to (often painfully) hide the changes that come about through puberty such as binding etc you may have slightly more sympathy. At the end of the day why do you feel that you have the right to dismiss a person's opinion of themselves and who they are, and are you that hellbent on your own hatred of the idea to refuse to call a stranger, or someone you know by the name that they would like to use, or even the pronoun they wish to use. This final bit is a minefield for people of our generation as it's new and we won't always get it right, but if you approach it without the intention to offend the chances are thay they won't mind and accept that you made an innocent mistake, but if you refuse to do so because you think it's all bollocks it's completely disrespecting that person and the choices that they have made, you may think it, but you really don't need to express it to them.