Duffryn

We did consider a 20ft version but it reduce kiln capacity by 66% and this doesn't really add up for us so its just the 40ft version I'm afraid

At the end of the day LogPro users know the cost of their wood, logs are the most expensive form of fuel and put this source forward as the worst case scenario. We are just trying to be honest here. Remember the boiler fuel store is huge (6ft long) and so can easily accept cord wood (cut in half) lengths or billets or tree stumps or wood that will not go through the processor / splitter easily. In fact in many ways this fuel source is preferable because it increases the density of the fuel load and results in the need to refuel less frequently. We have met a lot of people so far during the open days and they have nearly all had numerous sources of cheap fuel. I look forward to continuing the conversation when we meet tomorrow ! All the best Iain

A brief demo video of our biomass firewood kiln which I thought may be of interest to this forum LogPro - Demo

A brief demonstration video of the LogPro is now live at :- LogPro - Demo

When have had many requests for a demonstration video of the LogPro so here is a short video to give people a flavour of what the unit looks like and how it works. LogPro Biomass Firewood Kiln demonstration video - YouTube

Harry, I don't really disagree with anything you have said here. We are open about how we have calculated the cost of the fuel and this calculation is correct for most of the producers who have enquired about LogPro. For larger outfits then i agree the basis of your calculation is logical. Using firewood processor waste, other types of waste wood and hopefully (very shortly) Rapeseed straw bales will reduce the cost of the fuel dramatically no matter what the size of the customer.

Yes this is only for domestic RHI. LogPro is on commercial RHI

So that I can answer this would you mind giving me a link to the source of the quotes ?

Agreed, those who had contacted us in the past had been given prior notice but thought it would be worth a post in case anyone interested could make it. Always the option for an appointment on another date though

Agreed using imported wood does not seem to be in the spirit of the scheme or how we would like the kiln to be fueled but currently no rules to stop it. Mind you as most imported wood has a very low m/c and will cost £60+ I'm not sure why anyone would want to use this as fuel when they could dry their own fuel for much less in the kiln.

Hi, We will be holding a series of three open days this Wednesday, Thursday and Friday at our Brecon site (Postcode LD3 8LA) where the Logpro can be seen working and where are team are on hand to answer any questions you may have. Opening hours are 10am to 4pm each day and there is no need to make an appointment. Hot refreshments provided ! For those that are interested in a LogPro but cannot make one of the dates then we will be filming some of the demonstrations and will post a video link shortly or you can arrange an appointment to see the kiln.

No, currently the requirements for the fuel are " mixed wood" that is is not contaminated ( an example of contaminated wood would be chipboard). You need to keep a record of the fuel used each day and where it was sourced from with backup support where relevant eg invoices. We provide a simple on line system to do this.

Hi, We have a demo unit in Brecon and our first kilns roll out to customers at the end of this month. I am sure they will post on this forum. To put your mind at rest our contract provides a performance guarantee where you can reject the kiln if in the first four weeks of use it does not deliver what we say. As you would expect this guarantee is conditional on the customer using the kiln as stipulated ( i.e no more than 80% density of load in mesh stillages, IBC crates or other similar container that permits airflow, using 20% m/c fuel and the boiler being re fuel'd twice a day). Contact one of the team at LogPro and they will happily send you a draft contract to look at or you can wait until February and speak to LogPro customers. I hope this helps ?

Potentially but we would need to wait until details of the regulations are provided to comment in more detail. As nearly all woodland is felled under licence and the licence is provided on the basis of a replanting at least one tree for every one felled then this should not cause a problem.

Sure the final size is still TBC but the prototypes are 2.6m3 level filled which when over filled should give close to 80% fill on the kiln space

We have just taken delivery of a prototype of our bespoke stillage's for the LogPro. These will probably be of more interest to the larger volume users where the speed of unloading the dried logs out of the crates is a concern. Details can be found here LogPro - Loading and Unloading

If it works then you never know other members may be interested in buying systems off you. It is a different proposition to LogPro in that it requires a cash outlay, gives much lower throughput, seasonal use, lower RHI income BUT works from free fuel. This will no doubt be a better solution for some members. John I genuinely wish you every success with it be sure to keep us posted on your progress.

Thanks Ash (again) for your support but I hope you dont mind me pointing out that you missed off some costs. He would need to add shipping, UK forwarding and delivery, UPS power back up, upgraded heat exchangers, bespoke parts and labour to fix the kiln over the next five years, cost of designing and sourcing the connection from bio mass boiler to kiln....... and then there is the risk of dealing with an overseas company via LC sounds tempting doesn't it ........

Nothing, someone could copy it. But it would cost them 30 -40% more than it costs us (we have economies of scale) and they would struggle to get supplied with a compliant boiler. They would have the risk factor, have to outlay well over £65K plus vat. All they would gain is the first part of the RHI income because we pass on the second part of the income under our most popular agreement options. If someone has the cash, skill and appetite for risk and wishes to do this and then longer term they may be better off. Most of our customers are focused on their core business and don't have the time, ability, cash or desire to do this when we are offering a solution that not only solves major problems for them but costs them nothing and provides them (in most cases) with a valuable income source each year.

It could be but this increases drying time, maintenance, delivery and installation costs so is not something we can offer at the current time.

Firewood waste ( by this I mean processor waste) can be used as 100% of the fuel Shavings 20% of the fuel Sawdust 10% of the fuel They key is not to block the boiler vents up

Each person will have their own cost of fuel. I don't think our price of £40 a tonne is misleading but we may have to agree to disagree on this. By March we hope to have the boiler accredited for rapeseed straw a 4ft bale costs circa £20 and can be loaded straight into the boiler and has the more or less the same calorific value as a tonne of 20% m/c wood. If you don't have waste wood this may be a better option for you

No problem a perfectly reasonable question. A cycle is 3.5 days maximum to reduce 20% moisture from a load of 40m3. The logs could be 60% m/c or 40% m/c which is why we quote the load in m3 and not tonnes. To fuel the boiler for 2.5 to 3.5 days will take no more than 4 tonnes of 20% m/c wood. We specify this is tonnes because we have specified the m/c. Don't forget that most of our customers will be using processor waste or waste wood to power the boiler so using logs is the worst case scenario in terms of fuel cost. We have gone overboard to make sure that we are upfront, open and honest in all our claims. We quote the worst case fuel cost first and the most likely and cheaper fuel sources second. A really important point to remember here is that we only make our money if the firewood merchant is happy and uses and KEEPS the kiln our interests are thus totally aligned. What's more we guarantee the kilns performance on a first four weeks trial basis. I hope this helps

Far from it, if you could not get any more 20% m/c wood and were selling from stock that you could otherwise get £90 for then yes a fair point. BUT with LogPro you can dry more £40 green wood in less than 3.5 days and so there is no opportunity cost just the cost of the green wood and between £0 and £10 a ton to dry depending on your source of fuel.

Hi, Our examples given are based on 20% m/c fuel ( we specify this on the site) . You could use a higher m/c (up to 35% but this would take longer to achieve a cycle. A cycle is based on achieving a reduction in m/c of 20% on the logs loaded into the kiln. How you load them is critical as well. To achieve the results quoted you need to use IBC crates or metal stillage's. Potato crates and vented log bags can be used as well but these reduce the drying time by up to 50%. I hope this helps ?