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YES to all three The 749 would have to be the maximum weight the trailer could be loaded to and not just the actual weight at the time of towing it

There is a lot more discussion on the towing rules etc in THIS THREAD Would admin consider joining the two together ..... if possible?

As I have no knowledge of this side of things then I bow to your knowledge My field is that of licence and weight rules for B and B+E licence holders as well as the weight and licence rules surrounding LGVs

I think I just answered that in the post above a few seconds ago - LOL For post 97 licences it is the MAM/GVW weights that matter and not the actual weights Cannot say a 3500 GVW which only actually weighs 3000 on a weighbridge is 3000 for licence purposes - it still remains 3500

I have been giving the correct advice on this issue for some time and the admin on this site have made a sticky of my main post on the rules Getting B+E is a one off financial outlay and basically lasts for life Just to add on to the answer already given - the rules state that a 3500 GVW vehicle can tow 750 kgs on a B licence making a total of 4250 kgs but the moment that trailer goes over 750 kgs MAM (not actual) weight then the 3500 kgs total cuts in To make that simple - any B only licence holder with a vehicle between 2750 and 3500 MAM can only tow a trailer of 750kgs

when a trailer gets downplated the serial number is logged with the new plated weight Where that info is sent I have absolutely no idea

VOSA not the best dept for licence rules - they should have taken advice from DVLA

If you wanted to take that chance on the swapping of plates then that is up to the driver !! - I aint the law with those weights for the vehicle then the B licence holder can have a trailer with a max plated MAM of 1350 1350+2150=3500 - rule complied with 1350 is less than 1528 - rule complied with

No VOSA have not and nor have the police This MYTH has been spouted so many times aound the internet that some are starting to believe it !! There is NO LAW which states the MAM of the trailer cannot exceed the towing capacity of the vehicle I have challenged everyone who believes this myth to find me the law which backs up what they are saying and guess what ..... no replies in over 3 years The 750 actual trailer weight might be true because if the trailer actually weighed 700 but had a MAM of say 3000 then that would be illegal for a B only licence holder because no car I know of has a GVW of 500 !!!

Daft numpties - there was no need to A transit with a GVW of 3500 and a GTW of say 5500 can tow a trailer with a MAM of 3500 The GTW refers to the actual max weight the combination can be when loaded but the distribution of that 5500 is down to the driver as long as neither the vehicle GVW or the trailer MAM are exceeded

SORRY my previous post to you should have read....

Yes they can if the trailer manufacturer is still operating but they cannot have two different plates and be interchanged at will depending on the licence being used at the time

If VOSA are just looking for commercial set ups over 3500 without using tachos then that might explain it but unlikely because that would go on the total of the plated weights and not actual weights I am at a loss as to why those trailers you had at 3500 would need to be downplated to 2000 ???? If that was not for B licence towing then someone wasted time and effort doing it

Correct for your B+E licence Plated weights cannot be interchanged at will For the B licence holder You have vehicle unladen of 2000 so that means a max trailer MAM of 1500 BUT ..... you have not told me what the vehicle GVW is.... I need the vehicle GVW to add it to the 1500 trailer MAM and then see if it breaks the max 3500 combined weight GVW/MAM rule of 3500

Sorry mate but you are mistaken The B licence towing rules are quite clear - it is the total of the GVW/MAMs that are relevant in regards to the 3500 limit A car with a GVW of 2400 and a trailer with a MAM of 3500 = 5900 total which is well over 3500

You got it - I like the 'mis-spelling' of passed

I do not train B+E or anything else at the moment but I did train LGV C and C+E from 2005 to 2008 I do currently help drivers to pass the advanced driving test as a volunteer senior observer with the IAM Lets get to what you have on your licence as a pre 1997 car pass licence holder:- B - any vehicle not more than 3500 plated GVW/MAM (same thing) B+E - as B but with any trailer up to 3500 plated or tyre rated MAM You can tow a trailer with more than 3500 MAM but those trailers come under stricter laws and must have their own braking systems which is why I said 3500 kgs MAM C1 - any vehicle not more than 7500 kgs plated GVW/MAM C1+E with a 107 code (memory) Any Vehicle in the C1 category pulling a trailer where the TOTAL GVW/MAMs do not add up to more than 8250 kgs You do not have full C1+E to go up to 12000 kgs total EXAMPLES of what you can do with YOUR C1+E:- 7.5 tonne towing a 750 kgs trailer = 8250 5 tonner towing a 3.25 plated MAM trailer = 8250 I'll not bother with D1 (101 code) and D1+E 9101 code) unless you want me to

For that aspect of towing you are correct - it would be impractical to do that job without full B+E The only thing I can see different in the new towing regs is that for ALL drivers in regard to towing trailers over 3500.... I do not know anyone who does!!

Nor had the DfT/DVLA until I contacted them and pointed this out as I considered it unfair Why should a driver who say passes a C+E and can tow huge trailers for years and perhaps their own 3500 trailer or very large caravan have to take the lesser B+E test to carry on towing the same large trailer/caravan when they retire or give up LGV driving and yet those who pass the lesser B+E test can have it for life ...... NOT FAIR ..... but the DfT said they will not change things

Or in the 80s - no licence and take a double L plate test in an artic at age 21 The instructors used to run for the hills if their boss said they got one of those!!

Having just a B licence and then passing a higher +E category test such as C+E for example will upgrade that B licence to B+E BUT ..... That B+E will only be there for as long as the medical covering the higher category remains current - the moment the medical is not renewed then that B+E covered by the higher category is lost until the medical is renewed Passing the B+E test is a one off financial outlay and will remain current for as long as the B licence is valid so basically for life In my area many seem to pass the B+E test first time for an all inclusive price of £650 which is 3 half days and test on day 3

INCORRECT AND INCORRECT A B licence holder can tow a trailer over 750 kgs as long as certain rules are met:- The MAM of the trailer must not be more than the unladen weight of the towing vehicle The MAM of the trailer plus the GVW of the towing vehicle must not add up to more than 3500 kgs Simple really

Tacho needed? Only if for commercial purposes and not subject to one of the under 7500 exemptions listed in article 13 of the EU regs 561/2006 AND Only if the total of the GVW and MAM weights add up to more than 3500 kgs

Why? If she has a B licence she can tow with it under certain rules I'll make up an example with figures not far from what can be found in reality for towing with a B licence CAR Unladen/kerb = 1500 GVW = 2000 Towing capacity = 1800 GTW = 3800 TRAILER Unladen = 500 MAM = 1500 Load = 1000 Reasons it is legal on a B licence - Trailer MAM is not more than car unladen weight Trailer MAM plus car GVW is not more than 3500

These cat thefts have been mainly from Merc sprinter vans It started in one area of the uk and then a uk wide neighbourhood watch alert went out so it gave the idea to others around the uk .... good thinking ... not Looks like those thefts have now gone a little further and other esy pickings are being targetted